lightweight wheels questions

[ChR1s]

Originally posted by Currently
It is my understanding that a safer place to practice is on the track.

Nah, it's just a lot safer place to crash at.

[Qfactor]

Originally posted by Currently
This comment is the one that I was looking for ...

"What makes one rider faster than another? It's the rider's confidence in his/her skills and knowlege to be able to maximize the use of available traction."


And I would like to add one more word to it....

instinctively

When crap happens on a bike, there is no time to think about it.
You got to do it without thinking. That takes practice.

It is my understanding that a safer place to practice is on the track.

Some give this guy a fuckin' nobel price...

Q

[OreoGaborio]

Originally posted by benVFR
I don't know man.. being able to take the corner at 80mph in perfect stability and confidence doesn't help you at all if there is sand around the corner or someone pulls out and you should have been going 40mph.

Maybe my exaduration was a little self defeating... my point is... if you go around a corner & have the ability to do it alot faster due to your riding skill & bike performance, obviously it's much safer than if you & your bike can't handle the speed.

I'm not talking about riding well beyond your line of sight, which is what you're talking about - that's much different. But even still, it holds true... if you make your bike more flickable, it'll help you avoid that sand or car that pulls out in front of you.

[OreoGaborio]

Originally posted by Currently
This comment is the one that I was looking for ...

"What makes one rider faster than another? It's the rider's confidence in his/her skills and knowlege to be able to maximize the use of available traction."


And I would like to add one more word to it....

instinctively

When crap happens on a bike, there is no time to think about it.
You got to do it without thinking. That takes practice.

It is my understanding that a safer place to practice is on the track.

HEY!!! U better give credit where credit is due for that quote! Those are MY WORDS (Came up w/ that during a kickass late-night conversation about bikes i had w/ Alex about a month ago)

and you're right... the word "instinctively" does add to the quote... but instincts CAN be learned & developed.

[Honclfibr]

Can we add intrinsically? And, also, indubitably? Just because indubitably is such an awesome word.

"What makes one rider intrinsically faster than another? Indubitably, it's the rider's confidence in his/her skills and knowlege to be able to instinctively maximize the use of available traction."

Perfect.

[ChR1s]

Originally posted by OreoGaborio
But even still, it holds true... if you make your bike more flickable, it'll help you avoid that sand or car that pulls out in front of you.

Perhaps by an immeasurable amount? However, it does stand true for differing bikes. I know when I'm dipping along certain tasty roads with the KLR that I'm much safer at the same speed while riding the ZX10.

Perception & reaction take a considerable amount of time. And I'd guess much longer than the difference any wheelset is capable of making. Both of those skills can be constantly enhanced, and for cheap. Reading & riding. However, a skills coach/class can help accelerate the process.

[OreoGaborio]

Originally posted by Honclfibr
Can we add intrinsically? And, also, indubitably? Just because indubitably is such an awesome word.

"What makes one rider intrinsically faster than another? Indubitably, it's the rider's confidence in his/her skills and knowlege to be able to instinctively maximize the use of available traction."

Perfect.

damnit, now it's not my quote anymore, i dont like this game

[benVFR]

Originally posted by Honclfibr

"What makes one rider intrinsically faster than another? Indubitably, it's the rider's confidence in his/her skills and knowlege to be able to instinctively maximize the use of available traction. Remember, I live my life 1/4 mile at a time. Beeyotch!"

Now it's perfect.

[OreoGaborio]

uhg.... someone just shot that joke right outta the sky

[Currently]

Oreo gets credit for the quote, couldn't figure out how to grab it on this board.

Qfactorial can give him the Nobel Price too ... I don't want it ...

Now spank me like you love me!

[OreoGaborio]

[Currently]

Originally posted by OreoGaborio

Beat me ...
Whip me ...

Teach me love and make me write you a bad check for a million bucks!

[OreoGaborio]

woa there... ok, now you're takin it a little too far... U know I don't take personal checks

[SVRACER01]

OMG! where to begin.... YES! you WILL notice a difference on the street, but the difference you want and the differense youll notice are 2 different things. will the bike handle better like you want it too? MAYBE/YES will you notice that change? probably not since you are riding on the street. what difference will you notice on the street? stoppies and wheelies are MUCH easier and depending on how the sprocket mounts to the wheel.. some acceleration. is it worth it? my opinion..NO. my bike is approx 70% stock.... keep up.....if you can. the money ive spent on my bike to make it that way would make you wonder why you are even considering wheels at this point.

for a full on race bike... wheels in my opinion are/should be towards the bottom of the list. Paul is right, you would have to change the setup to compensate for less unsprung wt but that is what fully adjustable suspension is for... to compensate for changes. alot of these guys race 1 track 90% of the time...NHIS. after you "get the setup" there arent many major changes you have to do to it each weekend. a fiddle here a fiddle there and your good. sorry.. im babbling. if i remember right.. Paul is on a 125 or something.. where weight is ALL that matters when you have little power, so wheels would be more important to him.

Aftermarket wheels probably wont like that pothole at the end of your street like the stockers do. you want to shave some weight? take the powdercoat off the stockers and polish them or something. your riding on the street, you dont get a trophy for beating everyone else to the next light.

OH!! and a cheap damper? a stock one off a GSXR with a fork clamp from Lockhart. it will work GREAT for what you are using it for.

and Pete... FUCK YOU!! 7lbs=1HP is an average

[OreoGaborio]

Originally posted by SVRACER01
and Pete... FUCK YOU!! 7lbs=1HP is an average

yeah, but "average" is for hicks that wanna live in AZ

[SVRACER01]

dont start a fight you cant catch me to finish

[Tabby]

Man, do you guys get hot and heavy. Some of us just have a need to tinker, to change. Qfactor did mention " for personal satisfaction". This is fun for some of us, regardless of our ability to use the changes. I realized this in myself quite awhile ago. When the first GSXR1000 came out, I wanted one real bad. Am I the next Mat Mladin? Hell, I'm not even the moving chicane some of you expert class guys complain about. I decided against getting one, because I wouldn't ride it any faster on the street, or the track than I do my 86 750. For me, what a waste of machinery. I don't even ride my 86 anywhere near its potential. I totally agree with those suggesting spending money on track schools. I myself have taken the California Superbike school {82}, RATS {87, now Reg Pridmore's school}, Penguin {90}, Superbike school again {96, on Motoliberty supplied 125 Hondas}. I will take more classes/trackdays as money and time allow. But, you know what, I still want to tinker with my bike. I am saving up for new wheels too. In my case it may be more justified. It's hard to get good rubber in 18in. sizes. So if I upgrade to 17's, I might as well take note of some of the advantages, and decide how much I want to spend. Just for fun. That is another reason I haven't purchased a new bike. I would have to start all over on the tinker process. So Qfactor, it is your money, have fun.

[ChR1s]

As a prior owner of a new '86 GSX-R750, I have to say there's a helluva difference between that bike of the past and today's bikes. And it's much, much more than just motor. I can't think of anything I have to "ride around" with the latest bikes. And even still, it's easy to feel the chassis & suspension improvements in successive generations of current bikes.

[ChR1s]

Forget the wheels...

http://www.tailgunnerexhaust.com/performance.php

[Paul_E_D]

Good lord. What will they think of next? I think that's a perdcect match for the ZX-10!

[ChR1s]

Originally posted by Paul_E_D
Good lord. What will they think of next? I think that's a perdcect match for the ZX-10!

I'm waiting for the dual under-seat flavor.

[Tabby]

Nah, I'm just a nut. I won't sell it. Maybe way down the road I'll put something modern beside it. I also take it to New England Drags for grudge nights. It doesn't show its age as much there.

[Paul_E_D]

It's gonna be on every "outlaw" sportbiker's x-mas list next year. (the gatling gun exhaust that is)

[benVFR]

God I hope they don't figure out a way to mod that thing to make a high pitched whistle like the ricers were doing out in CA a few years ago.

I think they should make one that looks like spinning dildos. It'd be more appropriate for that crowd.

[Tabby]

Hmm, one last point for Qfactor. How long do you intend to keep the bike? My old gixxer is a lifer, so regardless of usage issues, I'm not worried about resale value. Whether we like it or not, in most cases, you don't get your money back on your aftermarket improvements. So, if you know that you may sell your bike in the not too distant future, lean towards cost effective and practical changes,,and definately more on track day/racing class.
I'll be quiet now, for a little while anyways.