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    Re: Looking for something....electric

    gimmie a Storm Bee that either has more range when weighing in at 280lbs, or less weight with a 40 mile range.



    actually that might be cool - a dual sport chasis and 2 batteries: a lighter one with 30 mile range for moto's or just putting around for post work "C" rides...put the bike at 235lbs..then a heavier one (or optional 2nd battery in a top case-ish area) that makes it a 300lb street/ADV bike that has a range of 100 miles that you can charge at public stations.

    Unfortunately pictured pre production model has the off road trail performance of a DRZ400, a 60 mile range, top speed of 68mph, and weight of 280lbs

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    very slippery looking design

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    Re: Looking for something....electric

    No J1772 plug means this is bike is dead to a long distance rider.

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    Sur Ron announced the Ultra Bee 3 weeks ago - looks like a 3/4 size frame dirt bike, top speed 56mph, on 19” wheels, but only 185lbs!

    Will be sold as an OHV in the US, but the marketing pics show it with signals and lights, so I am hoping factory parts bolt on, or someone makes a kit, then I can plate it in CA. The state just requires lights, horn, reflectors, tires in the California Vehicle Code to be made street legal; so I may be able to plate this as it will be emissions compliant.

    If it’s priced between the $4,500 light bee and the $8,500 storm bee; somewhere around $6,500k, then I’m a buyer. It would entirely replace YZ duty for my local fire road/single track, do 1-3 hour “dirt bike rides”, and be maintenance free. Keep a gasser for big bike duty, and retire the YZ as a restoration project. I can commute 3-4 days a week on it too since I don’t do any freeway.

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    Re: Looking for something....electric

    Rear shock geo looks more traditional than the bolt upright setup on the Storm Bee. This looks like a direct competitor to KTM's Freeride-E XC, and if it'll charge off 110v it'll be the better bike.

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    Re: Looking for something....electric

    Now we are talking. This is more like the Cake I have been wanting, but not willing to pay for. At <8k I think it may be my next woods bike. with the ECU cracked and power upped, it will be a weapon.

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    I don't know how much you want to uncork it, the batt is just slightly larger than the Freeride-E unit, and they're not known for ride time already?

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    And the freeride has a lot less power if I recall.

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    Re: Looking for something....electric

    Freeride E-XC is 18kW (24.5 hp) motor with a 3.9kWh batt, 92.5kg (204lbs) to 111kg (245lbs) weight depending on where you look. $11,299 MSRP, not including freight or charger. Charger is still, in 2023, 220v only?!

    Ultra Bee is 12.5kW (16 hp) motor, 4.1kWh batt, 85kg (187lbs) and that weight includes the charger as it's onboard.

    KTM vs Ultra

    Fork - 43mm inverted, 250mm travel vs 37mm inverted, 240mm travel
    Rear - 260mm travel vs 240mm
    Seat Height - 910mm vs 910mm
    Wheelbase - 1418mm vs 1380mm
    Ground Clearance - 340mm vs 318mm
    Wheels - 21/18 vs 19/19

    Sur Ron claims 87mi at 25mph, depending on terrain. That's 3.5hrs of run time at 25mph. The Freeride is reviewed as about a 20mi range in the woods, the 'city range' is about 60mi. So adjust what you think the Sur Ron can pull off as you see fit.

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    The freeride chassis is too heavy for the application IMO. Average woods rides around hear are about 10-15mph. 87 miles is a full day. good enough for me!

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    yup, Paul nailed it. it passes the application test for a weekly dirty fix. It doesn't pass the biggest/baddest numbers test. I get the feeling our views are aligned on what we want from this one.

    15mph will be the average on most rides (including some desert rides), but on certain dirt bike rides, a 15mph section or less may drain a lot of power because it's a steep hill climb, or full power bursts to get through a section.

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    @Paul:



    I don’t see much roosting nor a lot of floating WOT whoops; guessing this is something between a mountain bike and a dirtbike; not a ripping machine… which could make it well suited to tighter trail riding

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    can't wait to scope the VARG in person when it hits Motorsports Int. ...if one even sticks around.

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    Re: Looking for something....electric

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    can't wait to scope the VARG in person when it hits Motorsports Int. ...if one even sticks around.
    Yes, but why doesn't it exist yet?

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    Ultra bee will be sold as off road vehicle in US and Canada

    CA mostly cares about emissions; so as long as all the DOT equipment is on there, I should be able to plate it

    Yeah idk if the true dirt e bikes will have the same fate as Alta

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    Re: Looking for something....electric

    Alta failed primarily because their skittish investors chickened out and pulled their funding.

    (I'm sure there were many causes, but I'm told that things were generally going very well until that happened)

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    Quote Originally Posted by OreoGaborio View Post
    Alta failed primarily because their skittish investors chickened out and pulled their funding.

    (I'm sure there were many causes, but I'm told that things were generally going very well until that happened)
    HD fucked'em over.

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    Re: Looking for something....electric

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_E_D View Post
    Yes, but why doesn't it exist yet?
    do you think they won’t follow through? i keep seeing demo bikes being ridden/tested and even showing up locally. Motorsport had one in house last month.

    
it’s not a bike for me, too in love with my little 2T, but i’m excited about it.

    Stark is currently quoting June ’24 delivery for orders placed now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by typeone View Post
    do you think they won’t follow through? i keep seeing demo bikes being ridden/tested and even showing up locally. Motorsport had one in house last month.

    
it’s not a bike for me, too in love with my little 2T, but i’m excited about it.

    Stark is currently quoting June ’24 delivery for orders placed now.
    I don't know, the timeline keeps getting pushed back. Strange for a bike that seems to be fully developed and ready for production.

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    Re: Looking for something....electric

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_E_D View Post
    I don't know, the timeline keeps getting pushed back. Strange for a bike that seems to be fully developed and ready for production.
    My guess, and it's a pretty damn safe guess as it's the same thing it always seems to come down to... funding (and perhaps the ability to put into production at scale).


    I'm really hoping that my next knobby tire bike is fully electric & street registerable.

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    No more oil changes, valve checks, top ends, or fuel pumps.

    An electric steed makes a good “3rd/screw around bike” in the stable. It doesn’t replace big bike/street bike/track bike duty.

    Good pit bike, post work ride bike, 2-3 hour bike…and maybe an ice bike?

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