Driving over 65mph? Not anymore!!!

[Karaya One]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/AUTOS/12/01/...eed/index.html

You know bikes are coming right behind this. Just attach it to the TPS and you can't twist the grip.

[richw]

Looks like a business opportunity to me

[breakdirt916]

So if you see an opening to switch into the fast lane, you start gaining speed, begin merging while accelerating, is your gas pedal going to freeze?

[benVFR]

Who cares... the people you are worried about getting boned from behind by in the fast lane won't be able to go over the speed limit anyway.

This is just the first step. First a "ding" to remind you went over, then a wonky gas pedal, then a rev limiter.

Of course if they just take the whole system over and force everyone to drive at the speed limit then it won't be that bad as it'll cut traffic drastically cause you won't have the fuckhead in the left lane going ten under flashing his/her brakes constantly starting traffic jams.

[legalspeed]

Originally posted by benVFR

Of course if they just take the whole system over and force everyone to drive at the speed limit then it won't be that bad as it'll cut traffic drastically cause you won't have the fuckhead in the left lane going ten under flashing his/her brakes constantly starting traffic jams.

In my area traffic has increased many fold. If we were forced into the speed limit it would take me 2-3 times as long to get to work.

[Karaya One]

Originally posted by Bhavesh
So if you see an opening to switch into the fast lane, you start gaining speed, begin merging while accelerating, is your gas pedal going to freeze?

This my my exact thought.

About 8 years ago, I rented a Ryder truck to help a friend move, and it had a orange sticker on the dash proclaiming that this truck is governed to not exceed the speed limit - 65MPH.

This Ford E350 could not pass anything, and I couldn't even risk getting in the passing lane because if I did pass a slower car, I may be stuck trying to get by while in the fast lane. It was a very unsafe experience knowing you could not accelerate out of any type of situation.

Never again.

[Rice-rocket1]

The next thing will be automated speeding tickets. If you go “x” amount over the posted speed, the system will inform the local authorities and they will mail you the speeding ticket with a copy of the info so you can't fight it.

[daviid]

i honestly cannot see this passing in the US. as privacy can easily be invaded. and for the insane reason it does pass, i just wont buy a newer vehicle

[highsider]

I dont think that the US government would ever do this, because we get way too much money from fines. We wouldn't be able to maintain roads.

Also, there would be a few million liability suits stemming from incidents like the one Karaya One described.

[OreoGaborio]

c'mon guys... it's just Canada

But seriously, i'm w/ Chris... the revenue generated by speeding tickets is HUUUGE... no way it would pass in the States.

[SVRACER01]

this device should be used for somrthing more useful like... say... stopping high speed pursuits. not preventing you from speeding in general. alot of expensive cars already have flashy lights and buzzers telling you are speeding. a friend of mine has an M3 and she complained that every time she hits 120 it makes all these noises. she changed it 150mph after she found out what it was

as a saftey factor... sometimes you have to speed to pass in a passing zone. just what govt needs a lawsuit because someone tried to pass then the vehicle slowed down causing a collision

[benVFR]

There would be no issue with not being able to exceed the speed limit if everyone was restricted. No problem at all in that Ryder truck, if everyone else is restricted to 65 as well you would not need to pass any traffic unless it was going less then 65, and you'd be fine.

I agree they won't do it as they'd lose the ticket revenue..

In my area traffic has increased many fold. If we were forced into the speed limit it would take me 2-3 times as long to get to work.

Yah cause you went from "no traffic" to "a little traffic".

My average speed on the highway on the way to work in the morning is often 20mph. If there was a computer enforcing everyone to 55mph including the slow pokes, and keeping people from doing stupid stuff, I would get to work MUCH faster.

It will suck to give up control when there is no traffic but in areas with heavy traffic it will be an improvement. When these systems come online they will be in heavy traffic areas first... they might never be set up in rural areas. You'd probably have the features on every car but they'd only activate in certain areas.

There is absolutely no fun in being stuck in a 25 mile bumper-to-bumper jam, if you have to do that every day having a computer drive and keep the traffic jam from happening is going to be a hell of a lot more fun. You get to drive on a deserted mountain road but when you need to go to Logan International in a traffic jam the system comes on and you sit back and relax. And that way the silly small town cops can still try and catch you on the mountain road to bump up their revenue.

This is all based on my belief that many traffic jams are actually caused by drivers who weave in and out of traffic combined with the slow/timid drivers who don't get out of the way and can't merge/exit properly without slowing everyone down.

[SVRACER01]

Originally posted by benVFR
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This is all based on my belief that many traffic jams are actually caused by drivers who weave in and out of traffic combined with the slow/timid drivers who don't get out of the way and can't merge/exit properly without slowing everyone down. [/B]

if your speed NOW is 20 then it will be 20 when the system is installed. there is nothing preventing you from going 55 now other than the other cars in front of you. maybe if you can locate the people that drive slow IN FRONT of the traffic jam and install a system that forces them to drive faster you wont have this problem. but that is based on my beleif that you are a complete tool.

as for Dan being in traffic everyday. im also in that same traffic. you know the traffic that is caused when a 2 lane packed highway goes down to 1 then merges with another 1 lane highway that then goes over a bridge that doesnt allow you to change lanes that when you get over the bridge traffic magicly increases speed until it turns into a 4 lane freeway also known as 95
unfortunatly traffics average speed before what i like to call "the mess" in dover and ports., is about 70-75 with most slow people (65 or less) being in the right lane, this system would back traffic up further since the people who already 65 or less wont be affected by such system, but the rest of us who drive a little faster will be. so if we were LUCKY, both lanes would be going 65 nose to tail with little to no passing. wow! that sounds like a slow paced Talladega restictor plate race. what happens during one of those races when one person loses control? oh ya!! 25 other people get involved! just what we need.... some NASCAR fan putting on restrictor plate races on our freeway system to watch the carnage

[Lucky13]

There would be no issue with not being able to exceed the speed limit if everyone was restricted.

Here's the thing though, not everyone will be restricted unless the government retro fits older cars with this device. The newer cars will have it while older cars will not, and having that mix on the road would be dangerous (recreating a Ryder truck scenario).

[benVFR]

Originally posted by SVRACER01
if your speed NOW is 20 then it will be 20 when the system is installed. there is nothing preventing you from going 55 now other than the other cars in front of you. maybe if you can locate the people that drive slow IN FRONT of the traffic jam and install a system that forces them to drive faster you wont have this problem. but that is based on my beleif that you are a complete tool.

as for Dan being in traffic everyday. im also in that same traffic. you know the traffic that is caused when a 2 lane packed highway goes down to 1 then merges with another 1 lane highway that then goes over a bridge that doesnt allow you to change lanes that when you get over the bridge traffic magicly increases speed until it turns into a 4 lane freeway also known as 95
unfortunatly traffics average speed before what i like to call "the mess" in dover and ports., is about 70-75 with most slow people (65 or less) being in the right lane, this system would back traffic up further since the people who already 65 or less wont be affected by such system, but the rest of us who drive a little faster will be. so if we were LUCKY, both lanes would be going 65 nose to tail with little to no passing. wow! that sounds like a slow paced Talladega restictor plate race. what happens during one of those races when one person loses control? oh ya!! 25 other people get involved! just what we need.... some NASCAR fan putting on restrictor plate races on our freeway system to watch the carnage

You're the tool... you missed that I am talking about the computer taking COMPLETE control of the car when you drive into a high congestion area.

If the computer has everyone driving the same speed there is no slowpoke to cause a jam.

You think this is pie in the sky do a little research.. a computer has already driven a car coast to coast, and Honda already has the basis for tracking all the cars with GPS.

First step is what Honda showed off this fall... the cars know where the others car are, the initial system just warns you. And they put it on a bike already too, so the car drivers get alarms when they are about to take a left in front of a biker.

Yah it sucks if you drive/ride for fun but it is coming, and the vast majority of the people out there who just few cars as capsules that take them from point A to point B are going to go for it.

All the issues like traffic going from 2 lanes to 1, etc.. can all be dealt with if there is a computer system coordinating everyone's behavior. The problem with merges, etc.. is that everyone slows down not knowing what to expect. When you have the same amount of cars travelling in less lane space the traffic actually needs to speed up to prevent a jam.

There is a ton of research into this, stuff like you see in other areas of the country where they have red lights on on-ramps to control the flow of incoming traffic is the first step.

It'll take a long time but once all cars in the US come with GPS nav systems it's only a matter of time.

[OreoGaborio]

.... Ben, you think that one slowpoke at the "front of the line" or people slowing down cuz they dont know what to expect is the cause of all traffic jams???

Dude... take 10,000 cars on a 4 lane highway, cut it down to 2 lanes & traffic is gonna back up... cars are not like fluids at accelerate through a pinched off area, you have no choice but to slow down unless the people that are already merged DOUBLED their speed. Therefore, slow down or crash into the people NEXT to you that you're trying to merge into. Doesn't matter if everyone's going EXACTLY the same speed, if you make traffic merge it PHYSICALLY HAS NO CHOICE BUT TO SLOW DOWN.

Jesus, you think you're a fuckin expert on EVERYTHING

[a13x]

If you were unable to drive your car over 80 or 85 MPH I'd have no problem with that.

[mostly.lurking]

What happens when you drive in areas where the speed limit is highter than 65? When I lived in south FL, the highway speed limit on 95 was 70. I don't know if it still exists, but one of the mid western states (Montana?) had some areas with no posted speed limit, if I remember correctly.

[Cue Ball]

that sucks...Ehh?

[richw]

Montanna is now 85 where not posted.

Wait till your car just rats you out on WiFi

Some newer vehicle s are already recording what your doing speed RPM peddle position brake activation and can be downloaded from the cars CPU. Have an accident pull the battery lead. Maybe help and reset the machine.

Computer control so far requires smart roads that the politicians will never pay for. Unfortunately it might be possible to get GPS to work successfully to control us on the interstates but I wouldn't fear it on the 2ndaries.

Corvettes have a lock out that has 1st to 3rd to 5th shifting only and a wire under the dash for. Do not disconnect this wire except for off highway use. I am sure that there would be hacks aplenty to avoid any BS like this.

And any of you who think this is a good idea for cars are inviting more control over yourself

[daviid]

yes lets have a system thats based of GPS. that same system that the government controls how far off of your true position you are. nothing like driving down the interstate where the road next to it is 25mph and your car all of suddenly drops to that speed.

[Paul_E_D]

All this BS is more reason to get back to the days of carburetors. Vintage cars RULE! electronic control is an oxymoron. You're giving control away, not gaining it.

Those lockouts are the worst. What's the point of those, again? I think I drove a new GTO that has some kind of 3rd gear lockout.

[richw]

Suposedly the GPS fuzzy signal was eliminated 2 years ago

They might reinstate it or worse should War happen here

[daviid]

Originally posted by richw
Suposedly the GPS fuzzy signal was eliminated 2 years ago

They might reinstate it or worse should War happen here

i use my gps almost everyday. some days im right on the rd. other days it says 50 feet away from where i am. gps is nice to try to locate where you are and help navigate. the only person i trust with my life is myself. i will not let a computer say how fast or slow i can go

[mostly.lurking]

Originally posted by Paul_E_D
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Those lockouts are the worst. What's the point of those, again? I think I drove a new GTO that has some kind of 3rd gear lockout.

If the 6 speed in the new GTO is the same one that I have in my TA, there is a 2nd gear "skip shift" that pushes the shifter over to 4th in a 1st to 2nd shift at certain engine speed and throttle settings. The easy way around it is to accelerate harder in first and it doesn't come on. It is some sort of fuel economy thingy and truly irritating in traffic.

Just think what they can do with the "fly by wire" throttle control systems in newer cars. There isn't even a mechanical linkage between your foot and the throttle plates.