Newbies w/ literbikes...

[legalspeed]

At the moment, I'm against any moto regulation/restriction.

[beet]

Originally posted by bigred875
you also voted for Kerry and thought he'd win

& run the locals back 2 maine

he never had a chance against King George

[mikeb]

i read half this thread and deciced i'd skip to the end. here's my 2 cents.

let anybody buy whatever they want. yes my insurance will be higher and i may be killed buy some idiot but there's a trade off.

squids are fucking hilarious to watch. almost as funny as old dudes buying harleys and trying to act tuff like there hells angles. i'm also a cheap fuck and like to find used/wrecked gear and parts cheap on e-bay or elsewere. so dude go's out and buys a GIXXA, scares the shit out of himself, sells bike and all the bling he overpaid for it cheap. the more units a company can sell means they can sell it for less. plus there will be more aftermarket comps to make shit for that bike. the more there is the cheaper it is.

[benVFR]

I'm totally against new riders having almost any kind of sportbike...

But a law on which bikes you can ride won't work and shouldn't happen.

I am in favor of making MSF mandatory and making MSF longer & more thorough.

I think we need to start with making car education tougher and more comprehensive first though.

And you can never legislate away stupidity.

Give the 16 year olds dodging in and out of traffic on 600s some decent fitness and they could do the same kind of thing in the city on bicycles, and they're almost as likely to off themselves.

[HBerry]

HEY EVERYONE LOOK AT ME!!!

I'm 19 and I own a brand spanking new sport bike (Well its a year old now but who cares!) and everyone on this board and everyone on every other website I read said don't but a brand new fucking bike because you will crash the bike and be pissed about it, whereas if you bought a used bike it wont be a big deal when you drop it.

Fortunetly for me, the first few days I had it, I almost slammed into the back of my girlfriends garage (where I was keeping it) while just getting used to the clutch and the gas. That night, I learned that I was the bike's bitch and it was not my bitch.

A few weeks later people were talking about meeting up at hooters and going for a group ride, I said I wanted to meet people there and Ben sent me a message within 2 minutes telling me that I would probably end up dead if I went on a group ride. Fortunetly I listened to Ben and instead of riding with them I rode around my girlfriends learning how to control the bike.

I rode for 3 months before I took the MSF and in fact I rode my bike to the MSF. Most of the MSF was boring as hell to me because I already knew how to ride and knew most of the stuff, but I did learn some new stuff from the course.

So I am a 19 year old college kid, I bought a brand new bike, I didn't use mommy and daddy's money, and Im still alive. Now does this mean I tell everyone else who talks to me at school about getting a bike that they should get a new 600? Fuck no! I tell them to buy a used 500 or an older 600 because they will probably kill themselves on a new 600. Do people listen? No, my friend just bought a 2004 katuna 750.

Tier licensing will never pass in the US, the AMA wont let it. People are stupid, end of discussion.

[Honclfibr]

Originally posted by HBerry
Tier licensing will never pass in the US, the AMA wont let it.

The AMA will lobby for whatever it's members support. I'm an AMA member and I'm in favor of tiered licensing. Granted the majority of AMA members at this point probably don't support tiered licensing, but I bet if you compare numbers to 10 years ago, the percentage of AMA members who do support it has increased.

[legalspeed]

Originally posted by HBerry
HEY EVERYONE LOOK AT ME!!!

I'm 19 and I own a brand spanking new sport bike (Well its a year old now but who cares!) and everyone on this board and everyone on every other website I read said don't but a brand new fucking bike because you will crash the bike and be pissed about it, whereas if you bought a used bike it wont be a big deal when you drop it.

Fortunetly for me, the first few days I had it, I almost slammed into the back of my girlfriends garage (where I was keeping it) while just getting used to the clutch and the gas. That night, I learned that I was the bike's bitch and it was not my bitch.

A few weeks later people were talking about meeting up at hooters and going for a group ride, I said I wanted to meet people there and Ben sent me a message within 2 minutes telling me that I would probably end up dead if I went on a group ride. Fortunetly I listened to Ben and instead of riding with them I rode around my girlfriends learning how to control the bike.

I rode for 3 months before I took the MSF and in fact I rode my bike to the MSF. Most of the MSF was boring as hell to me because I already knew how to ride and knew most of the stuff, but I did learn some new stuff from the course.

So I am a 19 year old college kid, I bought a brand new bike, I didn't use mommy and daddy's money, and Im still alive. Now does this mean I tell everyone else who talks to me at school about getting a bike that they should get a new 600? Fuck no! I tell them to buy a used 500 or an older 600 because they will probably kill themselves on a new 600. Do people listen? No, my friend just bought a 2004 katuna 750.

Tier licensing will never pass in the US, the AMA wont let it. People are stupid, end of discussion.

Good job bro, you'll do fine.

[highsider]

Originally posted by HBerry


So I am a 19 year old college kid, I bought a brand new bike, I didn't use mommy and daddy's money, and Im still alive. Now does this mean I tell everyone else who talks to me at school about getting a bike that they should get a new 600? Fuck no! I tell them to buy a used 500 or an older 600 because they will probably kill themselves on a new 600. Do people listen? No, my friend just bought a 2004 katuna 750.

Therein lies the problem; motorcycles are a purchase of passion. They have no (or at least very little) real usage as practical transportation, especially in the northeast, and thus any money that goes towards that purchase is recreational, or "extra" money. And if I'm going to spend my fun money on something, I want to LOVE it.

I ride an R1. I know very well that my abilities are pitifully below that of the bike's. When we ride on the track, I am speaking *very nicely* to my bike, in the hopes that it will spare me the embarrasment and pain of bucking me off.

But I enjoy the ability to pass a car at will by looking where I'm going and twisting the throttle a little. I like the way my bike looks and the way it sounds. I like riding it.

Should a rider of my abilities have an R1? Nope. Do I give a fuck? Nope. I like it, I ride it, and my stupidity isn't doing anyone any harm.

[Kham]

Originally posted by legalspeed
Good job bro, you'll do fine.

he's still lucky.

[Kham]

Originally posted by highsider
Therein lies the problem; motorcycles are a purchase of passion. They have no (or at least very little) real usage as practical transportation, especially in the northeast, and thus any money that goes towards that purchase is recreational, or "extra" money. And if I'm going to spend my fun money on something, I want to LOVE it.

I ride an R1. I know very well that my abilities are pitifully below that of the bike's. When we ride on the track, I am speaking *very nicely* to my bike, in the hopes that it will spare me the embarrasment and pain of bucking me off.

But I enjoy the ability to pass a car at will by looking where I'm going and twisting the throttle a little. I like the way my bike looks and the way it sounds. I like riding it.

Should a rider of my abilities have an R1? Nope. Do I give a fuck? Nope. I like it, I ride it, and my stupidity isn't doing anyone any harm.

what the heck? there is resemblance here.

like i said teenage are out of control, older riders are just too slow to respond, and car drivers are getting more agressive.

did you hear they want to reduce drinking age to 18.

[Honclfibr]

Originally posted by highsider
Should a rider of my abilities have an R1? Nope. Do I give a fuck? Nope. I like it, I ride it, and my stupidity isn't doing anyone any harm.

You've owned what, 6different bikes before that one? And ridden on and off for almost 10 years? I think you're a bit more qualified to handle that R1 than some new rider who's never sat on a bike before.

And if that R1 still spooks you from time to time, why would you want to put a new rider through that? Look at StupidHawk's cousin, walks into a dealer and gets sweet-talked into buying a bike that may be way over his head. Right now there's nothing to discourage dealers from pushing the biggest baddest bike on every wide eyed newbie that walks through the door, and nothing to encourage the newbie to start small unless he has the sense to wander onto a motorcycle message board and ask about his brand new literbike before he buys one.

[OreoGaborio]

Originally posted by Honclfibr
You've owned what, 6different bikes before that one? And ridden on and off for almost 10 years? I think you're a bit more qualified to handle that R1 than some new rider who's never sat on a bike before.

And if that R1 still spooks you from time to time, why would you want to put a new rider through that? Look at StupidHawk's cousin, walks into a dealer and gets sweet-talked into buying a bike that may be way over his head. Right now there's nothing to discourage dealers from pushing the biggest baddest bike on every wide eyed newbie that walks through the door, and nothing to encourage the newbie to start small unless he has the sense to wander onto a motorcycle message board and ask about his brand new literbike before he buys one.

thanks for saving me the typing time.... +1

[highsider]

Originally posted by Honclfibr
You've owned what, 6different bikes before that one? And ridden on and off for almost 10 years? I think you're a bit more qualified to handle that R1 than some new rider who's never sat on a bike before.

And if that R1 still spooks you from time to time, why would you want to put a new rider through that? Look at StupidHawk's cousin, walks into a dealer and gets sweet-talked into buying a bike that may be way over his head. Right now there's nothing to discourage dealers from pushing the biggest baddest bike on every wide eyed newbie that walks through the door, and nothing to encourage the newbie to start small unless he has the sense to wander onto a motorcycle message board and ask about his brand new literbike before he buys one.

Obviously I dont think literbikes are good training wheels. But I also dont believe in telling people what to do, or what bike to buy.

People are going to either ride stupid, or not. Hessogood learned to ride on a CBR 929; my second bike was an Fj1200. We're both still alive, due to a little sense of self-preservation, and a healthy dose of luck. I used to know a fellow who died on a VTR 250.

My point is that, instead of bitching about newbies and condemning them with the "squid" label for buying the hottest new bike on the market, we should try to convince them that wearing appropriate riding gear doesn't make you a pansy, and to respect the power that they purchased.

Its the way you ride your bike, and not the bike you ride, that gets you hurt or killed.

EDIT: I have no opinion on what will be happening to the souls of the salesmen who talk newbies into literbikes.

[Rice-rocket1]

The big difference that I can see in regards to the term newbie is it groups "ALL" new riders. When it comes to more responsible new riders that can honestly admit that the bike is beyond their riding ability will be the ones that are safer on the bigger bikes because they generally have more respect for the power. Then there are the new people that have no fucking clue and believe that they are invincible and will never crash or get hurt. Since they generally will have little respect for the power, those are the ones that will do something stupid and crash. This will give the rest of the motorcycling community a bad name.

Just my $.02

[Nikon]

i bought a ZRX1200R as my first bike, brandy spankin new, and having about 5 hours of experience before I bought it.

Does this help anything? No but I thought that I would throw it out there...

oh yeah...i've never taken the MSF and I passed the license quals my first try with 2 months experience.

and i did it drunk and stoned...

[bigred875]

instead of bitching about newbies and condemning them with the "squid" label for buying the hottest new bike on the market, we should try to convince them that wearing appropriate riding gear doesn't make you a pansy, and to respect the power that they purchased.

i am so sick of hearing people slam newbies for buying something they want...

I'd bet 95% of the people on this baord started off as a squid...and now most are still just squids with gear...

[OreoGaborio]

I was always a squid with gear

[mikeb]

Originally posted by bigred875
i am so sick of hearing people slam newbies for buying something they want...

I'd bet 95% of the people on this baord started off as a squid...and now most are still just squids with gear...

i've always considered myself a squid too a certain degree. i started riding in my late twentys and only after a few hard lessons have i gone to riding with as much gear as i can stand to wear. i don't care how old you are the power sportbikes have is intoxicating.

i know if i was given a sportbike when i was 18 i would have hurt myself,somebody else, or atleast had my liecence takin away real quick.

[TheIglu]

Originally posted by bigred875
i am so sick of hearing people slam newbies for buying something they want...

I'd bet 95% of the people on this baord started off as a squid...and now most are still just squids with gear...

Lets find out.

I wasn't one.

Next.

[ZX-12R]

Originally posted by bigred875
i am so sick of hearing people slam newbies for buying something they want...

I'm with you 100%.

While I agree that sportbikes are not the best choice for a new rider, what you spend your money on is no one's business but your own. Along the same lines, dealers should be able to sell any motorcycle they want to whomever walks through their door.

[bigred875]

Originally posted by TheIglu
Lets find out.

I wasn't one.

Next.

so far 3:1

[mikeb]

Originally posted by TheIglu
Lets find out.

I wasn't one.

Next.

ok clayton define what you would call a squid

[highsider]

I was a squid. I used to ride down I-90 in Albany, NY in a pair of shorts, a t-shirt, and sandals in rush hour traffic each morning on my way to school.

[Jaynnus]

Originally posted by snowborder
how about something more constructive other than a little whining about this....

Here is my suggestion:

When you buy and register a boat now, you have to take a "Safe Boating" class.

Why not require that everyone who wants to drive a MC take the MSF classes in order to get your liscense?

Also, I do notice the most stealerships do not ask for a copy of your liscense verifying that you do in fact have the MC endorsement, why not add that to the legislation?

Hell, you don't even have to have a permit or a license to register a bike in MA. I know!!

[Kham]

im even more squid with 1/2 gears. i didn't do wheelie before.