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    Lawyer says fatal Rochester crash should not result in loss of client's license

    By JOEY CRESTA
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    Friday, February 20, 2009
    DOVER — The driver of the Elf's Landscaping dump truck that was involved in a 2007 accident that resulted in the death of a motorcyclist was back in court Thursday to appeal the three-year loss of his license.

    Attorney Robert Zubkus does not deny that Jeremy Kean was making a left-hand turn in an Elf's Landscaping dump truck pulling an empty flatbed trailer when it was involved in a collision with a Harley-Davidson motorcycle being driven by Joseph Chalifour of Strafford on Walnut Street on the afternoon of June 8, 2007.

    He also does not deny the turn constituted a failure to yield that, under certain circumstances, would be unlawful. But he says mitigating circumstances on that afternoon should come into consideration when determining the punishment Kean should receive because they show his failure to yield wasn't the only factor significantly contributing to Chalifour's death.

    "The collision most likely would not have occurred," Zubkus said, if Chalifour had used all of his motorcycle's braking power. After a police investigation, it was determined from such evidence as the skid marks left on the ground that Chalifour had used only his back brakes, which constitute only 30 percent of the motorcycle's braking ability.

    Skid marks 99.3 feet long were observed at the scene and, based on calculations, if Kean had used all his braking power at his estimated speed of 35 miles per hour he would have stopped within 41 to 57 feet in front of the landscaping truck, Zubkus said.

    He also referenced a conspicuity study relating to "inattentional blindness" that suggests certain objects are difficult to detect when against a certain background. Zubkus said the motorcycle appeared to be motionless when Kean went to make the left-hand turn onto Stephens Drive, which is in the area of Elf's Landscaping.

    The accident occurred after a 10-hour work day and fatigue may have also played a part in Kean's "inattentional blindness" Zubkus said.

    Zubkus also raised issues with information that a passenger in the truck Kean was driving yelled repeatedly for him to stop because of the oncoming motorcycle. He said Kean had already committed to the turn by that time and only ever saw the motorcycle out the passenger's window. Zubkus said a 1.5 second response time should be taken into consideration when questioning why Kean didn't try to avoid the collision after his passenger told him to stop or after seeing the motorcycle.

    Zubkus told the court Thursday the examiner who originally heard the case ignored all these factors when making the decision to suspend Kean's license for three years. He said the decision appeared to be made as a punishment, rather than to keep a hazardous driver off the road, which he said is "unfair and unreasonable based on all the circumstances of that particular accident." Based on these circumstances, he said that decision "contained errors of law and unjust reasoning."

    Thursday's hearing was the result of a decision by Judge Kenneth C. Brown on Nov. 24, 2008, to temporarily reverse the hearing examiner's decision to hand down a three-year suspension for Kean's involvement in the accident. Brown made that decision after no one from the state appeared to argue the appeal on that date due to a scheduling conflict.

    According to Christopher Casko, who is now handling the case, there was a communication error due to the retirement of the person handling the case previously, and no one for the prosecution was aware of the hearing.

    Judge Brian Tucker heard the appeal Thursday and said he had several problems with Zubkus' version of events. He said it was an unlawful failure to yield whether or not Kean saw the motorcycle in its lane of travel and that it was unlawful precisely because the motorcycle was in the lane.

    "How could that turn be lawful when he failed to yield?" Tucker asked.

    He also said it didn't matter that Chalifour hadn't used all his braking power because Kean should have been expected to yield, not assess whether the vehicle in the coming lane has time to stop.

    Zubkus also claimed Kean had his turning signal on when he went to make the left turn, but Casko told the court a witness driving behind the truck saw no turn signals.

    "Had (Kean) not made that left turn, the accident wouldn't have happened," he said. "There's no conclusion that Chalifour operated unlawfully in any way."

    Tucker will take the appeal under advisement and will issue a decision on the appeal at some point in the next few weeks, though there is no mandated time limit for him to issue his decision, Casko said.

    Family and friends of Chalifour gathered in the courtroom to show their support during the hearing. He was well known in the area for organizing benefit motorcycle rides for local children battling disease.

    His mother, Diane Chalifour, called it a "no-win situation" but there should be "some type of justice" for losing her son.

    "Three years is nothing compared to never being able to see my son again," she said.

    Robin Chalifour, Joseph's widow, said she and her children "keep going on" but it's hard to be without their father.

    She said her children, now 4 and 7 years old, "have no real understanding of what it means to die but day after day when dad doesn't come home," they're reminded of their loss.

    A representative with Elf's Landscaping said she was not permitted to comment on whether Kean still worked for the company.

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    how many deaths does that make it for Elf now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigred875 View Post
    how many deaths does that make it for Elf now?
    2, this court action is one the most recent

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    I dont agree on the braking. None of us were there, but in all likelyhood this guy was scared shit when he saw the truck cut him off and he jammed his foot on the brake as a response to that. I know as sport bike riders we cover the front brake, but this was a Harley, and this guy probably never rode a sport bike in his life. Like they said in court, if the turn hadent taken place no one would have died, and as a driver, any driver, it is your respoinsibility to check twice before pulling across traffic. Not just for motorcycles, for anyone.

    Let's not forget, someone who should have gone home to his wife and kids died, and he did not do anything wrong - it just happened. Yes losing your license sucks, but as a driver, particular a commercial driver (trained to drive a truck pulling a flat bed) he was responsible for paying attention. He did not and someone is dead.

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    His mother, Diane Chalifour, called it a "no-win situation" but there should be "some type of justice" for losing her son.
    ...says it all as far as I'm concerned...

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    Quote Originally Posted by slammp View Post
    He did not and someone is dead.
    I dont dispute your points, but people make mistakes on the roads ALL the time. One of the first things you should learn when on a motorcycle is panic braking. The driver should be cited, and I wish there was some form of punishment that we can give the guy. But I still see the rider as having some sort of fault. This sounds callous considering the guy died, but we all have responsibility on the road. There isnt a rider among us that HASNT had a car pull out in front of us, and most of us (knock on wood) make it through unscathed. To neglect to use your front brake is just neglegent to your own personal wellbeing. The fact he couldve stopped 40-50 feet short of the truck says a lot. 100 feet is a lot of space. I feel for the guy and his family, but it just shows that you need to learn the control of the machine you're driving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DucDave View Post
    ...says it all as far as I'm concerned...
    I agree. Maybe restrictions on his driving. But is making the guy lose his license, which affects his source of income (fine make him lose the commercial abilitys) and affects his family around him?


    I dunno, maybe Im just alone on this matter.

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    I live very close to the intersection where the crash scene was, I also know that the victim lived even closer than I do and was very familiar with this dangerous intersection, it's not uncommon for heavy truck/trailer traffic to be still clearing the road and you round the corner

    personally, knowing the area, I have to put most of the fault on the motorcylist and not the truck driver, if he skidded 100 feet, he was going to fast to begin with for round the corner visibility

    rule #1 when riding, don't ride beyond your vision

    motr than once I have rounded the corner only to see the same Elf's truck & trailer halfway across the road, was I surprised, no, did I even have a close call, no

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    He made an unlawful turn that resulted in a death. That's an unlawful turn. Did everyone catch THAT part, 'unlawful'? That unlawful turn killed someone - a son, father, husband and friend. Three years is a small price to pay for disobeying motor vehicle laws and killing someone. He should lose his license for life...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pittenger5 View Post
    I agree. Maybe restrictions on his driving. But is making the guy lose his license, which affects his source of income (fine make him lose the commercial abilitys) and affects his family around him?
    How about the deceased inability to produce income for his FAMILY? What about the lack of income the deceased family will now hafta endure and cope with? All because the accused violated motor vehicle statutes that resulted in a death. He's lucky he wasn't found for vehicular manslaughter...

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    How about the deceased inability to produce income for his FAMILY? What about the lack of income the deceased family will now hafta endure and cope with? All because the accused violated motor vehicle statutes that resulted in a death. He's lucky he wasn't found for vehicular manslaughter...
    Well I deleted the resto f my posts in this thread, cause, whats the point. Its terribly unfortunate that the man was killed, no doubt. The Elf driver broke a law, that of course, no one heres ever broken. I find it extremely hard to believe he saw the bike coming, and said, ha Im gonna get this son of a bitch. It was a tragic accident. Takign the guys license away wont bring the other guy back, and it is definitely unfortunate, but the way I see it, it was a tragic accident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DucDave View Post
    ...says it all as far as I'm concerned...
    Yup. Definitely a no-win situation...

    Everyone knows that it's a combination of factors that lead up to a crash... In this case it was (among others):

    1 - an inattentive driver
    2 - obscured vision
    3 - another party that didn't give themselves enough margin for error.

    I'm not gonna get into the details, but I know all too well how this type of accident plays on the emotions of all parties involved... About 20 years ago my brother hit an elderly woman as she was walking behind his work truck in a parking lot as he was backing out of a parking spot and it eventually resulted in her death. The same three factors I listed above played into that as well.

    It was NOT an easy experience for anyone

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    im gonna get this son of a bitch? no. I'm in my own little bubblle and dont give a fuck about anyone else but myself... yes

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    im gonna get this son of a bitch? no. I'm in my own little bubblle and dont give a fuck about anyone else but myself... yes
    Which sums up 98% of the drivers of the road at any given time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OreoGaborio View Post
    Yup. Definitely a no-win situation...

    Everyone knows that it's a combination of factors that lead up to a crash... In this case it was (among others):

    1 - an inattentive driver
    2 - obscured vision
    3 - another party that didn't give themselves enough margin for error.

    I'm not gonna get into the details, but I know all too well how this type of accident plays on the emotions of all parties involved... About 20 years ago my brother hit an elderly woman as she was walking behind his work truck in a parking lot as he was backing out of a parking spot and it eventually resulted in her death. The same three factors I listed above played into that as well.

    It was NOT an easy experience for anyone
    My final comment on this matter will be that I agree with Pete here.

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    I undeleted 'em, Pitty. They're good points and relevent to the debate. Stand by your convictions, son...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pittenger5 View Post
    ...The Elf driver broke a law, that of course, no one heres ever broken...
    My breaking a motor vehicle statute has never resulted in a death...

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    Wait, we take away peoples' licenses for DUI, but we shouldn't take them away for killing somebody?

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    How about the deceased inability to produce income for his FAMILY? What about the lack of income the deceased family will now hafta endure and cope with? All because the accused violated motor vehicle statutes that resulted in a death. He's lucky he wasn't found for vehicular manslaughter...
    Yup, it wouldn't matter if the motorcyclist didn't use the brakes at all.

    As a note - just because there wasn't any rubber laid down by the front wheel doesn't mean the rider didn't apply front brakes. Bikes are not cars and Harley's don't come equipped with race replica front brakes.

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    Why did he not use the front brake?

    IIRC I read somewhere that cruiser riders are taught in correctly (or teach themselves) to not use the front brake.

    That is the most glaringly alarming thing to me. Maybe if he would have been a more proficient rider...

    I am not blaming the motorcyclist. An unlawful turn is unlawful and I am sure the driver of the truck, in his protected little bubble, Didn't give 2 shits when he made the turn in his big truck and had the "they will slow down for me" attitude.

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    and how did they determine he didnt use his front brakes? just the absence of tire rubber on the road?

    When you grab a handfull of brakes, front and rear, the rear end can lose its traction more easily as the bike rocks forward and may leave a rubber trail if it locks up. This doesnt mean that the front brake wasnt in use too.

    This whole thing sucks.

    I know good people who have made mistakes resulting in terrible things, but at the end of the day, someone needs to pay for their actions. In my opinion, the driver should lose his license for a few years, and the company "ELF" should be f*cking bankrupt paying a HUGE settlement to the riders family. They must have insurance. The riders wife and kids should not have to worry about money, it is bad enough they have lost so much. They need a new lawyer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeverlosT View Post
    and how did they determine he didnt use his front brakes? just the absence of tire rubber on the road?

    When you grab a handfull of brakes, front and rear, the rear end can lose its traction more easily as the bike rocks forward and may leave a rubber trail if it locks up. This doesnt mean that the front brake wasnt in use too.
    They can compute braking distance, Mass of vehicle x speed / brakes applied in feet. Or something like that. The article implies he had plenty of room to stop if he had used both brakes.

    Just a point of education.

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    This whole thing sucks.
    no denying that.

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    Illegal turn is something everyone is assuming, I don't think that has been determined.

    again, knowing the area of the crash, I am not convinced that the motorcyclist was in view then the truck driver initiated the turn.

    personally, I think the bike came around the corner too fast only to find a truck/trailer combo stretched across the road already making the turn.

    sadly, the biker that died was well known for the organization he has done over the years for charity rides

    illegal turn or not, the fatality would have been spared if the biker had followed basic motorcycle safety habits on his own part

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    Doc, good input, I figured they must have been going on more than black marks on the road, was just thinking out loud.

    It would be cool to have a cop fill us in on how they calculate stuff like that sometimes, I mean F=ma and then potential brake power so on.

    This stuff scares me. I like to think if someone yanked out in front of me, if I didnt think I could stop, maybe I could abandon ship or steer off the road (like mountain biking, aim for something soft!).

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeverlosT View Post
    and how did they determine he didnt use his front brakes? just the absence of tire rubber on the road?

    When you grab a handfull of brakes, front and rear, the rear end can lose its traction more easily as the bike rocks forward and may leave a rubber trail if it locks up. This doesnt mean that the front brake wasnt in use too.

    This whole thing sucks.

    I know good people who have made mistakes resulting in terrible things, but at the end of the day, someone needs to pay for their actions. In my opinion, the driver should lose his license for a few years, and the company "ELF" should be f*cking bankrupt paying a HUGE settlement to the riders family. They must have insurance. The riders wife and kids should not have to worry about money, it is bad enough they have lost so much. They need a new lawyer.
    They need a new lawyer... +1

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