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    Re: Big NH (6/21/2019) motorcycle accident update

    Quote Originally Posted by Degsy View Post
    The extradition order will be in place, but he will have to do his time first.
    Seems like we'll be sending him back in a box, papers stamped.

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    Re: Big NH (6/21/2019) motorcycle accident update

    My friends and I were even discussing it down here in GA. What a shit show...

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    Re: Big NH (6/21/2019) motorcycle accident update

    Maybe my math is off, but isn't .135 less than 2 beers?

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    Re: Big NH (6/21/2019) motorcycle accident update

    Definitely a defense attny trying to claw back some ground, and I believe he has. The location of the impact and the bac have just put that rider in doubt. Many times the defense story is a lot wilder than that. This one is in the realm of plausible. I think it will sway a jury. perhaps not all the way to acquittal. But a plea deal is now going to get sweeter for the truck driver.

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    Re: Big NH (6/21/2019) motorcycle accident update

    Can the defense attorney request their own autopsy?

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    Re: Big NH (6/21/2019) motorcycle accident update

    Quote Originally Posted by sdog30 View Post
    Maybe my math is off, but isn't .135 less than 2 beers?
    .135 is 7 beers at 200 lbs

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    Re: Big NH (6/21/2019) motorcycle accident update

    Quote Originally Posted by sdog30 View Post
    Maybe my math is off, but isn't .135 less than 2 beers?
    For Jim, it's two Twisted Teas.

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    Re: Big NH (6/21/2019) motorcycle accident update

    Quote Originally Posted by sdog30 View Post
    Maybe my math is off, but isn't .135 less than 2 beers?
    It's tough to say, because it depends on the rate of consumption, and body weight, among other variables.

    Generally speaking, I don't think 200lb male can chug 2 beers back-to-back and get to 0.135. That kinda BAC score on a mid-weight male takes some commitment.
    Quote Originally Posted by SteveM View Post
    .135 is 7 beers at 200 lbs
    I think that's 7 beers all drank immediately. Time is really important here, and is often glossed over in some of the scared-straight oriented DUI info. 7 beers over 7 hours doesn't get you to 0.135.

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    Re: Big NH (6/21/2019) motorcycle accident update

    Yes, the body can process 1 drink per hour.

    A .135 on a 200 Lb guy who was drinking for 3 hours pre ride would have to be 10. beers to still be “carrying” 7.

    None of this is exact, but no normal sized person hits a .135 on 2 or 3 beers pre-ride.

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    Re: Big NH (6/21/2019) motorcycle accident update

    Lead bike allegedly crossing the line doesn't excuse the rest of the pack getting mowed down. But it does complicate how I feel about the whole situation.

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    Re: Big NH (6/21/2019) motorcycle accident update

    Quote Originally Posted by loudbeard View Post
    For Jim, it's two Twisted Teas.

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    Re: Big NH (6/21/2019) motorcycle accident update

    It actually could only be a few beers if they were drinking the good stuff. Unlikely given the Harley crowd, but you never know.

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    Re: Big NH (6/21/2019) motorcycle accident update

    Quote Originally Posted by golden chicken View Post
    Lead bike allegedly crossing the line doesn't excuse the rest of the pack getting mowed down. But it does complicate how I feel about the whole situation.
    Form the OP... The initial impact occurred between the left side of Mazza’s motorcycle and the left front tire of Zhukovskyy’s truck, it said.

    The report goes on to say that “the impact caused catastrophic air loss to the left front tire of the truck, which left a tire mark on the center line of the road,” Duguay says in his motion. “This tire mark had initially been attributed to an ‘unsuccessful avoidance maneuver’ by Mr. Mazza, a position that the State has since retracted.”....

    The bike hit the truck and blew out the tire...

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    Re: Big NH (6/21/2019) motorcycle accident update

    I have seen catastrophic air loss to a car tire by a motorcycle before. cough cough. Stoneman

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    Re: Big NH (6/21/2019) motorcycle accident update

    Quote Originally Posted by Degsy View Post
    The extradition order will be in place, but he will have to do his time first.
    that depends on what a jury says, I'm not going to assume he gets any time

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    Re: Big NH (6/21/2019) motorcycle accident update

    Quote Originally Posted by SteveM View Post
    Form the OP... The initial impact occurred between the left side of Mazza’s motorcycle and the left front tire of Zhukovskyy’s truck, it said.

    The report goes on to say that “the impact caused catastrophic air loss to the left front tire of the truck, which left a tire mark on the center line of the road,” Duguay says in his motion. “This tire mark had initially been attributed to an ‘unsuccessful avoidance maneuver’ by Mr. Mazza, a position that the State has since retracted.”....

    The bike hit the truck and blew out the tire...
    Quote Originally Posted by Degsy View Post
    I have seen catastrophic air loss to a car tire by a motorcycle before. cough cough. Stoneman
    Yup, I've caused catastrophic air loss to a car tire with an RF900R. TOTALLY my fault too, and I openly admitted it. Just a foot to the left and I would've been a hood ornament.

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    Re: Big NH (6/21/2019) motorcycle accident update

    Did they do tox on all 7?

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    Re: Big NH (6/21/2019) motorcycle accident update

    Not guilty. Didn't really think that would happen.


    https://www.wcvb.com/article/jury-ge...crash/40849109

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    Re: Big NH (6/21/2019) motorcycle accident update

    Quote Originally Posted by e30addict View Post
    Not guilty. Didn't really think that would happen.


    https://www.wcvb.com/article/jury-ge...crash/40849109
    I had a feeling. There was too much evidence pointing to the motorcyclists. It pains me to say that, but from what I've been able to follow, I agree on the verdict. Emotionally I say fry the bastard. But realistically it wasn't his fault and the state couldn't prove otherwise.

    The BAC threshold in NH is .08. Although I know firsthand of someone who lost their license with a .05 in NH because it was proven that he was impaired regardless.

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    Re: Big NH (6/21/2019) motorcycle accident update

    It was a tragedy, but from the beginning there had been questions about the pre-ride condition of the motorcyclists. It doesn’t make their deaths less sad, but convicting the truck driver out of empathy for the deceased would not have been right and would not bring anyone back.

    There was also a lot of noise about the driver’s ethnicity and background.

    Had the driver been Robert Smith and a 2 tour Army vet, the narrative might have unfolded differently.

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    Re: Big NH (6/21/2019) motorcycle accident update

    Quote Originally Posted by Stoneman View Post
    Emotionally I say fry the bastard. But realistically it wasn't his fault and the state couldn't prove otherwise.
    He was definitely complicit even though the state couldn't prove he started the accident chain. I don't know how to reconcile it not being his fault and him walking away scott free. Maybe they overcharged him. Someone who I really don't want to be sharing the road with in any case.

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    Re: Big NH (6/21/2019) motorcycle accident update

    I hadn't been following the trial and the world had him convicted since the event first made the news so I was surprised to see the swing in the other direction. Now he will have to put up with years of ongoing civil cases.

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    Re: Big NH (6/21/2019) motorcycle accident update

    Very surprising to say the least .

    He’s already served 3 years in pre trial detention .

    Did he have a bail bond that he just couldn’t afford ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZX-12R View Post
    I hadn't been following the trial and the world had him convicted since the event first made the news so I was surprised to see the swing in the other direction. Now he will have to put up with years of ongoing civil cases.
    Doubtful, civil cases are about money, if he hasn’t any, no sense in suing. Unless his employer has insurance, there’s nothing for a contingent fee attorney to chase and one of the families paying attorney’s fees to get a worthless judgment is a waste.

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    Re: Big NH (6/21/2019) motorcycle accident update

    Quote Originally Posted by SteveM View Post
    Doubtful, civil cases are about money, if he hasn’t any, no sense in suing. Unless his employer has insurance, there’s nothing for a contingent fee attorney to chase and one of the families paying attorney’s fees to get a worthless judgment is a waste.
    Your conclusion is predicated on all parties being rational human beings. I anticipate there will be a few trying to squeeze blood from a stone.

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