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    Re: Possible NH laws for helmets and exhausts

    Quote Originally Posted by GTStang View Post
    The real answer is cause New Hampshire will allow you to get fucked over by your fellow state residents.
    you mean YOU allow yourself to get fuck?

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    Re: Possible NH laws for helmets and exhausts

    Maybe this is more a case of education...

    I mean they didn't wear body armor back in WWII. we sure do now.

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    Re: Possible NH laws for helmets and exhausts

    Quote Originally Posted by hskater26 View Post
    i always wear my helmet too. ive seen to many people crash who wouldnt be here today if they hadnt worn one
    But apparently not a jacket...

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    Both bills were rejected. As soon as the House publishes the votes I'll post the links.

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    woohoo! oh wait. i dont live there.

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    Re: Possible NH laws for helmets and exhausts

    Here is the latest status on this bill. I found this on NH.gov HB1162
    Session Year 2010
    Bill Docket
    Bill Status
    Bill Text Title: relative to the wearing of motorcycle protective headgear. G-Status: HOUSE
    House Status: INEXPEDIENT TO LEGISLATE
    Senate Status:
    Next/Last Comm: HOUSE TRANSPORTATION
    Next/Last Hearing: 01/28/2010 at 10:30 AM Rep's Hall

    THE BILL ON THE FLOOR OF THE HOUSE OR SENATE

    All bills may be acted upon the day after the committee report appears in the House Calendar. Any amendments proposed by the committee which make material changes in the original bill must be printed in the calendar.

    Action on bills is taken on the second reading on the floor of the House or Senate. Debate, if any, is held and amendments are made at this time.

    A bill is considered killed when the House or Senate votes to adopt the committee report of "Inexpedient to legislate," or when a motion from the floor to "Indefinitely postpone" is adopted.

    After a bill has passed the body of the Legislature in which it originated, it is sent on to the other body where it goes through similar procedures, except for bills containing an appropriation

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    Re: Possible NH laws for helmets and exhausts

    And it's back...

    Hearing scheduled for February 4 at 1:00PM

    http://gencourt.state.nh.us/bill_sta...ssionyear=2020

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    Re: Possible NH laws for helmets and exhausts

    I had aftermarket exhaust on a bike and a car.

    Now that I bought a house, I fucking loathe people with aftermarket exhaust.

    Couple Harley’s around here blip their throttle coming to the stop sign, then WOT up a 30mph road.

    Couple that with a couple fast and furious Subaru’s and jacked up loud trucks, diesels that make so much noise you’d think they’re towing the space shuttle, but no, apparently just struggling to do 30.

    Like what. The. Fuck.


    Think of your neighbors.

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    Re: Possible NH laws for helmets and exhausts

    Helmets should be mandatory. If you whack your noodle and end up dead, fine. If you whack your noodle end up a vegetable and a burden to the state because you wanted to feel the liberty blowing through your thinning hair, fuck off.

    Also, fuck loud exhausts for reasons stated above.

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    Re: Possible NH laws for helmets and exhausts

    Quote Originally Posted by loudbeard View Post
    Helmets should be mandatory. If you whack your noodle and end up dead, fine. If you whack your noodle end up a vegetable and a burden to the state because you wanted to feel the liberty blowing through your thinning hair, fuck off.
    Why not make the bike have 4 wheels, operator enclosure, seatbelt and an airbag? Shouldn't be riding those dangerous 2-wheeled open-air vehicles just because you want to feel the air. Could end up severely injured and costing money.

    I get that a lot of motorcyclists see wearing a helmet as a far more clear issue than the debate over riding motorcycles in general. But most of the voting public doesn't ride motorcycles for the same reason they think we should all wear helmets. They see motorcycles as unnecessary risk.

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    Re: Possible NH laws for helmets and exhausts

    Also.. what is a "helmet" per this law? And will it actually be enforced?
    If guys can wear the snap on salad bowel "novelty" helmets like half the guys in MA seem to wear.. why bother?!

    That said, I've grown to the point where I've stopped giving a shit about this. I'm wearing my helmet either way. Make it mandatory. Don't. I don't care.

    Anyone have any insight as to what a helmet law would do to insurance rates? That is the strongest argument either way, in my view.

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    Re: Possible NH laws for helmets and exhausts

    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    Also.. what is a "helmet" per this law? And will it actually be enforced?
    If guys can wear the snap on salad bowel "novelty" helmets like half the guys in MA seem to wear.. why bother?!

    That said, I've grown to the point where I've stopped giving a shit about this. I'm wearing my helmet either way. Make it mandatory. Don't. I don't care.

    Anyone have any insight as to what a helmet law would do to insurance rates? That is the strongest argument either way, in my view.
    The bill specifies that the helmet must meet 49 C.F.R. section 571.218, which basically says a "DOT" approved helmet (or purchase an aftermarket sticker of equivalent effectiveness).

    The bill also specifies that any rider or passenger of an electric bicycle wear a helmet. It might also require all bicycle riders to wear a helmet, but I'd have to look up a few more RSAs and I'm being lazy (and don't ride a bicycle enough to care (and wear a helmet when I do)).

    It's unlikely to impact non-mandatory insurance rates in any significant way. Laws don't make people do things. People will still be able to ride without them, they just face a $50 fine.

    There would be less head injuries / deaths in automobiles if we require helmets in them as well. If 1 death is too many (as the text messages on the side of the highway point out) then it's worth it.

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    Yeah, I get what you are saying. I've just lost the fight in me for this one. Whatever.

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    Re: Possible NH laws for helmets and exhausts

    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    Whatever.
    In many ways, that's the goal, but I get it.

    I'm trying to validate my assumption about insurance, but my personal actuary isn't responding to my texts right now. It's a valid question.

    The only other state where I've explored registering my bike also doesn't have a helmet law (but insurance was significantly expensiver, as they do have mandatory insurance).

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    Re: Possible NH laws for helmets and exhausts

    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    Also.. what is a "helmet" per this law? And will it actually be enforced?
    If guys can wear the snap on salad bowel "novelty" helmets like half the guys in MA seem to wear.. why bother?!

    That said, I've grown to the point where I've stopped giving a shit about this. I'm wearing my helmet either way. Make it mandatory. Don't. I don't care.

    Anyone have any insight as to what a helmet law would do to insurance rates? That is the strongest argument either way, in my view.
    While the novelty helmet is ineffective, it's got to add at least a 1% improvement right? If so, isn't it still accomplishing the goal? Some riders will be compelled to buy a proper helmet. Especially if they've got to put one on anyway. Those who try to skirt around it with a decoration are still forced to having something on there that's probably slightly better than nothing.

    I think it's a great example to debate over due to it's simplicity. As for the actual law itself, I never felt too strongly about it. Of all the laws I could care about, it's really low on the list.

    While having a road-side interaction with an officer while in RI (no helmet law), it was really interesting to learned he assumed the only reason I was wearing a helmet was due to being a MA resident/rider.

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    Re: Possible NH laws for helmets and exhausts

    Quote Originally Posted by aldend123 View Post
    While the novelty helmet is ineffective, it's got to add at least a 1% improvement right?
    That's logical, but Imma go with not necessarily...
    Possible NH laws for helmets and exhausts-helmet1-png
    They claim the shell is fiberglass.
    They claim the "spike" is "metal".
    Rivets, a couple of which appear to be right around the temples are claimed to be "steel".

    Let's put a pointy bit of metal on the top of our head on the top of a completely untested bit of epoxy and fiber. That'll help fur shur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    Anyone have any insight as to what a helmet law would do to insurance rates? That is the strongest argument either way, in my view.
    Opinion from my actuary...

    I highly doubt it would have any (noticeable) impact on rates. Everyone has their own proprietary rating system, and mandatory helmets could be a variable that's used, so there's that. More likely it'll be more so based on actual experience. So any impact would potentially come years in if and when losses improve from the change.
    Further though, at least for cars, the liability portion of your premium (damage you cause to other people/property) is much more significant than the damage to you and your stuff side. So (aside from the motorcyclist hitting motorcyclist scenario) this doesn't impact that more significant piece of the premium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasnmar View Post
    Opinion from my actuary...
    That doesn't make sense to me. Hear me out..

    If helmets are as effective at "saving" lives as we all think they are then deaths should go down. With deaths down I would expect insurance rates-on the whole-to go down as "losses" would be reduced. After-all 99.9% of us have both motorcycle AND auto insurance policies.

    Savings is savings, yo.

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    Re: Possible NH laws for helmets and exhausts

    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    ...then deaths should go down...
    I'll wager that when forced to buy one, the no-helmet crowd won't be donning the latest Snell approved full face helmet but will opt for one that offers little in the way of protection. Death rates will probably not change in an appreciable manner.

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    Then I circle back to "why bother".

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    Re: Possible NH laws for helmets and exhausts

    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    That doesn't make sense to me. Hear me out..

    If helmets are as effective at "saving" lives as we all think they are then deaths should go down. With deaths down I would expect insurance rates-on the whole-to go down as "losses" would be reduced. After-all 99.9% of us have both motorcycle AND auto insurance policies.

    Savings is savings, yo.
    Let's discuss the business model of insurance companies. I don't think they have "fair rates" or anything of the like written into their credo...

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    Re: Possible NH laws for helmets and exhausts

    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    Then I circle back to "why bother".
    I agree. I'm a strong supporter of adults having the right to choose. I'd also be perfectly fine with insurance companies having separate rates for helmet and non-helmet wearers with penalties or denial of coverage if you pay for the safer category but are in an accident and found to not be wearing one.

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    Re: Possible NH laws for helmets and exhausts

    Quote Originally Posted by Falko View Post
    Let's discuss the business model of insurance companies. I don't think they have "fair rates" or anything of the like written into their credo...
    More specifically, we won't realize savings until they've realized consistent savings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falko View Post
    Let's discuss the business model of insurance companies. I don't think they have "fair rates" or anything of the like written into their credo...
    Cool, let's start with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_insurance

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    Re: Possible NH laws for helmets and exhausts

    Actually, helmets are MORE expensive for insurance companies. It costs a lot more to treat a live person than a dead one.

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