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Possible NH laws for helmets and exhausts

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    Re: Possible NH laws for helmets and exhausts

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    Re: Possible NH laws for helmets and exhausts

    Quote Originally Posted by jasnmar View Post
    The bill also specifies that any rider or passenger of an electric bicycle wear a helmet. It might also require all bicycle riders to wear a helmet, but I'd have to look up a few more RSAs and I'm being lazy (and don't ride a bicycle enough to care (and wear a helmet when I do)).
    If I remember correctly, in NH, it IS state law for anyone under the age of 16 to wear a bicycle helmet.

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    Re: Possible NH laws for helmets and exhausts

    Quote Originally Posted by Stoneman View Post
    If I remember correctly, in NH, it IS state law for anyone under the age of 16 to wear a bicycle helmet.
    Right, this expands it to all riders of bicycles. Regardless of age.

    265:152-a Protective Headgear. No person shall drive or ride upon a bicycle or moped unless he or she wears protective headgear in compliance with 16 C.F.R. part 1203 and as prescribed by the director of the department of safety, division of motor vehicles. All protective headgear shall be correctly sized for the driver or rider and shall be equipped with a chin strap.

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    Re: Possible NH laws for helmets and exhausts

    Quote Originally Posted by ZX-12R View Post
    I agree. I'm a strong supporter of adults having the right to choose. I'd also be perfectly fine with insurance companies having separate rates for helmet and non-helmet wearers with penalties or denial of coverage if you pay for the safer category but are in an accident and found to not be wearing one.
    We do this for smokers, this is the solution for helmets as well. We should all be free to make stupid decisions, we shouldn’t all have to pay for them.

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    Re: Possible NH laws for helmets and exhausts

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_E_D View Post
    Actually, helmets are MORE expensive for insurance companies. It costs a lot more to treat a live person than a dead one.
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    Re: Possible NH laws for helmets and exhausts

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    Actually, helmets are MORE expensive for insurance companies. It costs a lot more to treat a live person than a dead one.
    That was cold. Funny but still cold.
    It's also true. One of the main arguments that many people use to support helmet and seatbelt and other laws "for your own good" is to claim that lack of such laws costs other people money, and that it is therefore right and just that those other people have a say in your risk tolerance and behavior. That argument is a lie, and should be exposed as such.

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    Re: Possible NH laws for helmets and exhausts

    It is absolutely true.

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    Re: Possible NH laws for helmets and exhausts

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_E_D View Post
    Actually, helmets are MORE expensive for insurance companies. It costs a lot more to treat a live person than a dead one.
    Is this really true though? I get that what you're saying is true for bad accidents, but what about not-so-bad accidents? In these cases you're a lifetime vegetable without a helmet, but just fine if you wear one.

    Your skull/brain is actually pretty fragile. You can suffer a severe head injury with a bad fall onto a tile floor.

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    I my be mis-remembering, but we discussed this with the RMV director at MSF meetings. A little current research shows that warmer weather is a higher risk factor than helmet non-use.

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    Re: Possible NH laws for helmets and exhausts

    insurance company rates are based on claims risk, period

    for the most part, most people drive/ride within 25 miles of your home. your zip code is a big factor, it takes into account heavier traffic and higher % of bad or younger drivers

    then the obvious, your personal driving record and PAST CLAIMS

    age group

    then more minor rate adjustments, things like credit status, student grades

    and that can get all blown to hell if you got a member of the household with a shitty driving record, esp

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    After almost a decade of working FD in a city with a lot of highways I think I changed my mind.

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    Re: Possible NH laws for helmets and exhausts

    Quote Originally Posted by joeswamp View Post
    Is this really true though? I get that what you're saying is true for bad accidents, but what about not-so-bad accidents? In these cases you're a lifetime vegetable without a helmet, but just fine if you wear one.

    Your skull/brain is actually pretty fragile. You can suffer a severe head injury with a bad fall onto a tile floor.
    It roughly balances, financially. Some people get expensive injuries that they would not have gotten, but other people die who would have survived with expensive injuries.

    Saving lives is good, and I always wear a helmet when riding, regardless of the laws. But I do not have the right to dictate what someone else's risk tolerance can be, and neither do you, and neither does the government. And if any of us DID have that right, there would be exactly nothing stopping the abuse of it to coerce people's behavior about *any* risky or expensive behavior. Laws prohibiting motorcycling entirely? Easy to do. Laws prohibiting scuba diving, horseback riding, skydiving, eating fried foods, smoking, anything someone thinks is dangerous -- it all falls under that same umbrella. No thanks.

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