Riding without Gear

[slaps76]

Originally posted by RandyO
you fucking safety nazies can get a life and go back to SRNE

Someone kick your puppy today?

[bigred875]

Originally posted by RandyO
you fucking safety nazies can get a life and go back to SRNE

+1 get's old fast..I wear gear 80% of the time i ride...becuase I want to ...not because someone tells me too..

the only piece of gear that will save your life is the helmet...all the rest helps with pain and suffering...as Randy has indicated in previous posts..it is all about risk assesment...yes shit can happen at anytime....but I'd rather live life then arrive safely at death...you have to have some fun....there is more to riding then gearing up and hitting the twistes


I understand you cannot control the other drivers etc and you need to be ready but give me a break...i could get run over by a bus full of nun's too....if I lived in that mentality I would never leave my house..i'd lie on the floor and suck on a cheerio every once in a while for nurishment

[benVFR]

Pretty simple when it's too hot to wear gear, and 95+ IMO as it has/had been in the last month is too hot for even my mesh gear, I just don't ride.

I go out on my bicycle & just wear shorts & short sleeve light shirt. Yes I could still get run over by a busload of nuns but it's unlikely I'll go over 40mph at any time in my ride so I'm willing to take the chance to ride with essentially no safety gear. (I wear a helmet)

I didn't ride for about the last 3 weeks due to the heat.. I think I've just decided once it gets that hot motorcycling is no fun.

I suppose I could wear a camelbak and get a modular or open faced helmet that would allow me to keep hydrated while motorcycling in my gear but it's just not worth it for me to go to that level of effort when I could go swimming, boating, bicycling, etc.. which are much more fun in the heat.

Now a 60-70 degree day.. motorcycling is great on a day like that.

It all depends on whether you are motorcycling when you feel like it or you're compelled to constantly ride your motorcycle even when it's obviously not the most fun thing to do with your time. I think at times I have been compelled to ride my motorcycle constantly even when it is not so fun or even foolish and there are definitley lots of other people on this site who are probably in that category too.

[LiononaLeash]

Feel the love in here!!

[beet]

Originally posted by RandyO
you fucking safety nazies can get a life and go back to SRNE

When I first started riding no 1 used gear .. Helmet maybe, except race tracks ...
The price of gear has stayed the same . Driving cars , seatbelts are for people who can't fucking drive .. Inatentive drivers are what kills ... Ive been driving sence before seatbelt laws . I don't crash cars . I hope your not saying your gear will save you if you get hit by a car ... They will save you from road rash . Thats why I use my gear when i'm on a rip ... You stupid fucking college boys go back to school . Any of you morons ever get hit by a car !!! I did like I said gear would not have helped , it could have hurt ...
I went over the car .. The extra 40lbs of my gear I may have not made it over !!!!! GEAR IS ONLY GOOD FOR ROAD RASH .........
FUCKING STUENODS it not going to stop broken bones .....

[JeffL]

So the hard armor covering my elbows/forearms, shoulders, knees, shins, ankles and feet will provide absolutely 0 extra protection in comparison to a cotton t-shirt, jeans and a pair of tennis shoes?

[The Snowman]

Originally posted by JeffL
So the hard armor covering my elbows/forearms, shoulders, knees, shins, ankles and feet will provide absolutely 0 extra protection in comparison to a cotton t-shirt, jeans and a pair of tennis shoes?

If the person in the cage fired a bullet at you, probably not. Otherwise, you'd be a little more protected from, say, puncture wounds.

[TheIglu]

fucking non-safety nazi's

[SBT Deb]

The BEST advice I can ever give is buy good gear. The great thing about technology is that there are better products coming out everyday. Helmets, jackets, armour, gloves and boots. You don't have to spend a fortune but when it comes to gear you almost always get what you are paying for. Part of what my business is about is finding the best gear, and the not so great gear and learning about each piece and then letting my customers know what they are buying the pros and cons and of course budget. ANY gear is better than NO gear. With that said if you make the smart decision to buy gear then we start to look at budget and quality and try to meet both criteria. (remember many times you will pay more for a name than necessarily the quality of the product.)

A good example is Top of the lIne Held Race Glove vs. Motophoria Quantum Kevlar Race Glove. The Held is made of 1.2 cowhide, and Kangaroo. has temper foam padding in the palm and finger area, gauntlet style of course to protect the wrist. It also has carbon fiber knuckles and breathabilty through the fingers, external stitching, good fit and holds up extremely well during a crash where the hand or palm hits the ground. Retail Price $299.99

The Motophoria Quantum Kevlar Race Glove has 1.4 cowhide, and kangaroo has all internal stitching, carbon/kevlar on the knuckles, gel padding on the palm and finger areas, has gel side. THe GLove also has a full kevlar lining on the INSide of the glove, gauntlet style glove with armour on the wrist area, and holds up to intense crashing. Retails for $ 164.99.

So which one do you buy?

If it were me it would be the Motophoria Gloves. now why?

External stitching vs internal stitching. External stitching will blow outwards exposing the fingers, while internal stitching is much harder to blow out.

Gel vs temper foam. Gel cushions better than a foam will, it also can absorb more energy. Hand fatigue is less with the gel than with a temper foam.

Kevlar lining vs, no kevlar lining. you crash palm down and skid and go through the leather and kangaroo, with the motophoria glove you have another layer of kevlar with the latter you have nothing but skin.

This is a small example however you can do the same comparisons with Jackets, boots, pants, etc. I spend good money on top quality protection because there is only one of me and there is only one of you.

If anyone has any questions please email or PM me at Sport Bike Technology or Paul from Motomarket. We would both be more than happy to help out no matter what the gear is.
Deb

[SBT Deb]

As far as the was hit by a car comment go talk to Pete Kates at Computrack Boston who was hit by a car and totalled it from the outside and wished he had his full race leathers, helmet boots, gloves and maybe a mr bouncy bounce would have helped.

[benVFR]

Thanks for the info on the Motophoria gloves..

Do you have a store where I could check those out or are you only an online vendor?

I'm not finding my Held's terribly comfortable even though they are very protective... Held has some newer models which may be more comfortable but if the Motophoria gloves are less I'll have to check them out.

Ben

[Honclfibr]

If you have $164.99 hands by a $164.99 pair of gloves. I say with gloves you get what you pay for.

Oh wait, maybe that only works with helmets?

[bigred875]

Originally posted by JeffL
So the hard armor covering my elbows/forearms, shoulders, knees, shins, ankles and feet will provide absolutely 0 extra protection in comparison to a cotton t-shirt, jeans and a pair of tennis shoes?

did anyone say that? pay attention and stop trolling...the only thing that will save your life is a helmet....everything else helps with pain and suffering...like road rash and broken bones...

[benVFR]

Originally posted by Honclfibr
If you have $164.99 hands by a $164.99 pair of gloves. I say with gloves you get what you pay for.

Oh wait, maybe that only works with helmets?

You're forgetting the old "It's European, add $100 to the price" factor.

I have no problem thinking someone may make a better glove then Held at a lower cost.

[SBT Deb]

Held Gloves USED to be the best of the best. However they are now being made overseas and the quality has drastically declined. Motophoria Gloves were designed, and tested by road racers in competition and during harsh riding conditions and crashes. Ben I am willing to send you two pairs for you to test out and make your own decision. That is how confident I am in the gloves. I also wear them myself. 8 more pairs were sold again this past race weekend and two were crash tested. I sell product I know works and product I believe to be top quality. As far as street riders who decide to go with out gear on that is your decision, however I refuse to believe anyone who says that wearing gear inhibits the fun in riding or doesn;t provide protection in an accident. I made that decision once and will never go without riding gear again. It is personal preference. So I am willing to help out anyone who is wanting and willing to protect themselves. I sell many products I used two in an example.

[Currently]

Originally posted by RandyO
you fucking safety nazies can get a life and go back to SRNE

Someone piss in your oatmeal this morning?

My wife, mother-in-law and daughter-in-law all work in hospitals
and know what happens if you don't wear gear and Murphy
comes knockin'.

Gear is good for falling down and sliding ... not so good if you hit
something or something hits you.

You don't want to wear it ... no skin off my back! (pun intended)
Debridement is such a joyous experience ... I get an orgasm thinking about it!

I will play the odds and live and let live ...

Unless you are one of the chosen that will NEVER fall from a bike!

[JeffL]

Originally posted by bigred875
did anyone say that? pay attention and stop trolling...the only thing that will save your life is a helmet....everything else helps with pain and suffering...like road rash and broken bones...

How am I trolling?

I'm willing to bet a good number of leather protective garments for motorcycle riding come with at least some form of hard armor. How is that not beneficial when compared with shorts and a t-shirt?

[Doc]

Originally posted by rmbbikes
This topic is a dead issue.

Let those who ride decide!!

Doc lighten up man. It's a chioce not a requirement man.

KB

Agreed, it is a choice.

Either a stupid one or a smart one.

The choice is simple.

"Lighten up"...? Maybe the internet is not a good place to voice opinions because they come off as "Rules".

I am light (as light as my 200lb fat ass can be!

And as for wounds sustained from bike wrecks and car crashes and such... I think I have seen my fair share of carnage, I work as a firefighter and I am a Nurse that has worked in an ER.
I also lost a girlfriend in a car wreck because she WASN'T wearing a seatbelt and if she was she would be alive today (I was wearing mine and got the privelage of trying to keep her alive until the ambulance got there.

I have seen too many people hurt unnessecarily on bikes because they were not wearing a simple pair of friggin jeans and some good shoes, and don't evne get me started with gloves, everyone puts there hands up to protect their head.

As I have said before and as I will try again to say with as much "lightness" as I can.

Your a blithering idiot if you ride around at ANY time in shorts, inappropriate shoes and a silly brain bucket that some people call a helmet. Dumb, stupid, moron.

THAT IS JUST MY OPINION!

(I will respect your opinion for calling me an idiot for WEARING the gear.)

[JeffL]

Its pretty much a lost cause arguing it. Lets all go to Sean & Leahs party on saturday and drink beer instead.

[bigred875]

Originally posted by JeffL
How am I trolling?

I'm willing to bet a good number of leather protective garments for motorcycle riding come with at least some form of hard armor. How is that not beneficial when compared with shorts and a t-shirt?

that is not the topic that is being debated...we all understand that is helps midigate injury...but none of those things you mention will save your life so adults assess that risk...and gear up accordingly...

[JeffL]

Red, have a beer.

[bigred875]

Originally posted by JeffL
Red, have a beer.

stop posting like your opinion is the only valid one...you already have a real elitist/sarcastic tone when you post...and you've been riding how long?

[JeffL]

Yes, after making a few posts, and seeing someone else say it, I was reminded that arguing about gear is pretty fruitless, the debate never ends. So at that point I stopped making anything resembling serious replies about it after I recalled how the discussion usually goes. Excuse me.

[Currently]

Originally posted by SBT Deb


If anyone has any questions please email or PM me at Sport Bike Technology or Paul from Motomarket. We would both be more than happy to help out no matter what the gear is.

Deb

I hate going to Motomarket ... always spend a fortune there!

That Leather Mate stuff I bought there last time really rocks!
Paid itself off with a pair of office shoes that I was going to
throw away. They look almost new now!

So where is Sport Bike Technology located?
Unfortunately I already know where Motomarket is ...

[SBT Deb]

Every one calm down. It is a choice, right or wrong, dumb or smart. I think we can all agree that people do not want to see others hurt. My last bit on this is that 40 lbs of armour worn when engaged with another vehicle that weighs 2 tons will cause no additional harm to the person wearing it. ie you will go into, over thrown regardless. to that person if that is why you will not wear armour I urge you to rethink that. I am living proof of exactly that situation occurring, and I am glad I am still here, and I still wear gear.

Deb