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-Pete LRRS/CCS #81 - ECK Racing, TonysTrackDays
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RIZXVIR - Thank you for this post. I certainly hope that you take the observations made by many in the vein in which they were extended and that you take no offense. I've read all the responses and honestly didn't see a single one that I'd consider hard ass, critical, or anything more than personel opinions on your experience.
Fortunatly, you have Oreogroanonono to defend you and protect you from the hard asses here who have attacked you with such soft gloves.
I liked your story and took a couple of good lessons for myself. Primairly, to be sure I have warm gear if there's a chance I'll be riding into colder weather.
Thanks again for your story. I hope you've survived the beatings....????
"A man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life.”
Muhammad Ali.
There are no hard asses here, Dave. Only pompous ones.
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-Pete LRRS/CCS #81 - ECK Racing, TonysTrackDays
GMD Computrack Boston | Pine Motorparts/PBE Specialists | Phoenix Graphics | Woodcraft | MTag-Pirelli | OnTrack Media
The Garage: '03 Tuono | '06 SV650
I'd be shit out of luck if I ever was asked to do a field sobriety test. Sometimes when the blood sugar crashes, standing on one foot is near impossible for anything more than a few seconds.
What are the legal ramifications of doing "the RandyO" in this situation?
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I don't think any, but you will get 0 leniency. Not to mention if you will not take a breathalizer with out talking to your legal counsel first that can be considered a refusal and you will take the loss of license that comes with that. He is right though about the whole "am I free to go?" "am I being arrested" "where is my attorney" when dealing with being questioned.
-Alex
I can resist everything but Pete's mom.
may be considered refusal by the LEO pulling you over but it wouldn't be considered refusal by the courts. Asking for your legal rights cannot be held against you in court, while cooperating with the LEO's can
it's none of the LEO's business if you have a beer with your meal, or where your coming from or going or why your out so late. Either he has probable cause or he doesn't. Don't give it to him by cooperating
RandyO
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A man with a gun is a citizen
A man without a gun is a subject LETS GO BRANDON
You shook his hand,why ?
If he gave you a ticket,would you have thanked him as well ?
Try to put yourself in the LEO's shoes... it's his duty to determine if the driver is impaired.
I agree wholeheartedly with you that a beer with your meal would not effect you.
However, to me the circumstances in this particular instance, i.e. the speed, time, are all factors to consider.
Taking a hardline, adversarial approach with the LEO won't typically work in your favor.
Fuckin pigs
49 states do it one way, and Massachusetts does it their own way.
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RandyO
IBA#9560
A man with a gun is a citizen
A man without a gun is a subject LETS GO BRANDON
You don't have to be rude, and will do much better if you are polite, but I would say that you do indeed have to be adversarial. Because the officer in that situation IS your adversary. He is not your friend; he is not there to do you any favors. Asserting your rights is in itself adversarial to his position. So you need to do that carefully, and as gently as possible, but keeping in mind that you are indeed defending yourself against an adversary (whether or not you are guilty and he is in the right is a separate question -- even if you are, you don't need to help him punish you).
PhilB
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It's my understanding that you have a choice of type of test, at minimum, you have the right to have your own independent blood test
RandyO
IBA#9560
A man with a gun is a citizen
A man without a gun is a subject LETS GO BRANDON
When you do that, the cops are obligated to tow/remove your vehicle as they become responsible for it. If you do a sobriety test or breath test right there, your bike is safe unless they haul your ass off.
Me, bike = no beer or other alcohol at all. Car = perhaps ONE, but only if I am eating a meal with it.
I served on a month-long jury duty session some years ago. One thing I learned is that if a person admits to even one drink, and it appears to affect the way you drive, you can be arrested for operating under the influence in MA. If you then blow under an 08 you'll have an easier time defending yourself, but you may still have to do so. That's money, and lots of it. I can feel one beer. Does it make me wobbly or unsafe, no. But because I can feel it at all and know it could influence me in some small way I want no risks.
Personal choice.
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