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School me on: 2-strokes

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    Re: School me on: 2-strokes


    Quote Originally Posted by csmutty View Post
    Who the fuck got the name m ancation changed to Sausagefest.
    LOL I know, I tried using the M title and it got changed for me too

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    Re: School me on: 2-strokes

    It's awesome.

    It's also awesome that you can go to the festival of sausages and ride 6-8 hours in one day. .. Then go back out and do it again the next day.
    My odo showed 100 miles after one. 25 of it was road. But the other 75 more than made up for it.

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    Re: School me on: 2-strokes

    Ok, I'm on the verge and debating 4t vs 2t. Most are Orange. There's a decent smattering of stuff out there right now.

    2012 350excf with 50 hrs
    2013 250xcw about 70 hrs
    2013 300xc about 70 hrs.

    All priced about the same 4-4.5k range.

    Who's got some opinions.... (about the bikes).

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    Re: School me on: 2-strokes

    Quote Originally Posted by MHenry600 View Post
    Ok, I'm on the verge and debating 4t vs 2t. Most are Orange. There's a decent smattering of stuff out there right now.

    2012 350excf with 50 hrs
    2013 250xcw about 70 hrs
    2013 300xc about 70 hrs.

    All priced about the same 4-4.5k range.

    Who's got some opinions.... (about the bikes).
    What do you want to use it for?

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    Re: School me on: 2-strokes

    Quote Originally Posted by MHenry600 View Post
    Ok, I'm on the verge and debating 4t vs 2t. Most are Orange. There's a decent smattering of stuff out there right now.

    2012 350excf with 50 hrs
    2013 250xcw about 70 hrs
    2013 300xc about 70 hrs.

    All priced about the same 4-4.5k range.

    Who's got some opinions.... (about the bikes).
    Judging by the bikes you listed, I'm guessing you're focusing on trail/woods riding. Any of those bikes will be awesome in the woods. I prefer 2 strokes just because of the simplicity in maintenance and they're usually lighter than 4 strokes. The 300 kind of sets the bar and is THE bike to have but keep in mind there's a LOT of power there. I had one last year and the damn thing was a blast, but I ended up riding a gear higher many times just because it was so damn manly. It never quit, stalled or complained. You could almost come to a dead stop and just goose it and it'd come back to life.

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    Also keep in mind the 350 is 100% street legal.

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    Re: School me on: 2-strokes

    350-f is a sweet-heart. Very nice 50/50 machine. Going to be easy to live with when the trail ends and pavement starts, and when it comes time to fuel up.
    Normally I'd say the -W is mandatory for a recreational rider. But then my 200 XC-W has been converted to an XC (using 150 XC parts) and does just fine at speeds up to ~50.
    2t's are pretty simple to own.

    Really, all of those choices are delightful. Orange bikes are stupid popular for a reason.

    I'm not excited about the idea of buying a hi-po 4t second hand. More comfortable with a used 2t.

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    Re: School me on: 2-strokes

    2010 KTM XC-W 200. 50 hours. All original perfect. No scratches. 3000 firm. . . . 2004 Yamaha YZF250. Safari tank. Kickstand added. Less time than the KTM as it was my guest bike. Original tank included. Perfect too. 2000 firm. Both bikes were ridden slow. Heck I'm 63. Can't go fast.

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    Re: School me on: 2-strokes

    I've really been lusting for an AT or 1090 for weekend exploring trips up to ME, Canada, etc, but with a 9 month old at home, that's not happening.

    So the flip side of that is I've been wanting to get a woods bike again (had a kdx220 for a few years). Idea would be to get into jdays and enduro, etc where the family can come watch and hang out too.

    I think I'm still on the 2t bandwagon, since rebuilds and such are easier. I'm the type to keep stuff for a long time and do my own work, so simplicity is nice.

    I think I'm leaning 250 or 300, but wanted to see what the general population had for ideas.

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    Re: School me on: 2-strokes

    I like a 300. I'd buy one again for nice woodsy romps where I also wanted to short shift it and really tiptoe nice and stealthy through certain parts. I think it's a great jday choice too, because with the nature of his courses, there is definitely opportunity to make it sing from corner to corner. the 250 is essentially the same bike, but it's a little "peakier" in nature.

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    Re: School me on: 2-strokes

    So I've done some digging, but want to stir the pot anyway.

    PDS or linkage? Does it really matter to 95% of humans?

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    Re: School me on: 2-strokes

    It doesn’t matter. There’s a couple different characteristics, but either are just fine.
    Way less moving parts with the pds, if that counts for anything, as well as no knuckle hanging under the swing arm.

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    Re: School me on: 2-strokes

    I have a pds bike. I like it. I do not think it sucks.

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    Re: School me on: 2-strokes

    I'm heading south on a certain group riding trip in 3 weeks (IDK what the accepted name is these days). I've never had to fill the tank on a 2T at a gas station. What is the preferred method?

    I do intend to bring a 5 gallon can to have mixed at the house so i can start each day topped off with a good mix, but from what i've heard, mid day refuels are common.

    I have a ratio bottle, but its kind of big to carry (i could though). Is it best to get a few small bottles that hold my "use this per gallon" ratio? and guess if i'm at 1.5 gallons to top the tank?

    Anything is helpful, total noob.

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    Re: School me on: 2-strokes

    What I do:
    - Go to the home-center, buy a couple of those small bottles of 2t oil that treats 1 gal ea
    - Pack the bottles in a plastic bag in your pack, with your tool kit - refill the bottles as needed
    - When you gas up, try to round the fill to the nearest gallon. I never fill more than 2 gal
    ~1 gal pumped => 1 bottle of oil
    ~2 gal pumped => 2 bottles of oil
    - Dump bottle(s) into tank, climb off bike and shake the living shit of it, ignore strange looks from everyone else
    - Ride on... ringle-dingle-dingles..
    - Most importantly: Fucking ignore Kates when he says "don't sweat it, we're just taking the greens straight back; you've got plenty of fuel"

    So far this works for me. Although I think the first year I carried my big mix-bottle filled with enough to treat ~4 gal. I found I never used that much and carrying that large (ish) bottle was a pain. The small bottles are more convenient. 2-3 little bottles should be enough.

    This has worked for me for 3 trips now with my '12 200 XC.

    Remember that WV is at elevation. Jet 1 step leaner than you would normally. Jetting is important.

    I pack a fuel-jug and my regular mix-bottle for use at the house. As you say, start the day filled to the brim. The 2t's chugga-lug more than the 4t's and you want every drop of range you can muster.

    Reminds me I think I probably need to order some more pre-mix.

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    Re: School me on: 2-strokes

    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    The 2t's chugga-lug more than the 4t's and you want every drop of range you can muster.
    Not having experience with modern 2t engines, I was amazed that your 200 used twice as much fuel as my 500 during the Classic trail ride a few years back. Those girls are thirsty!

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    I do it a touch differently. (Who's surprised?) Maxima has ratio bottles that are conveniently sized to go in a backpack with a couple quarts of premix, and a quart of Silkolene ProCool, just in case. Oh, and some rubber gloves and shop towels 'cause why not. When I get to the pump, fuel OFF, pump in gas, note how much. Pop out the Maxima bottle, pick the desired ratio and pour in oil till you're at the right amount. As noted, precision is not required, if you pumped in 1.645 gallons, a bit over the 1.5 gallon mark will be juuuuuust fine. Pour oil into tank, gas cap on, put stuff back into the backpack and then shake the bike side to side via the bars to get it all nicely mixed. THEN the turn the fuel back on and ride off.

    If you don't shut the fuel off first you sometimes get a shot of premix oil right into the carb. Hope you like kicking...

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    Re: School me on: 2-strokes

    I also carry extra coolant... in my hydration pack.

    You're talking about these Maxima bottles? That looks exactly like the off-brand/west-marine/whatever one I have and found too cumbersome for day ride use. Carrying "quarts" of pre-mix is ridiculous for a day ride in WV. There isn't enough vitamin-I on this planet for a single day with more than 1 fill-up.

    I've seen others carry pre-dosed mix in camera cylinders, travel soap containers, you name it.

    In my-unfortunate-experience making room for a spare tube, solid tool kit, snack-bar, room for extra layers and a lot of H2O is more valuable than carrying a lot of premix on this trip.
    I added a tube pouch to my front fender and a small, expandable tool kit pouch to my rear fender, mostly for this trip.
    One guy had one of those big-ass giant-loop bags on his bike one year and that saved my day. I needed a tube, didn't have one, capt-packs-a-lot did. Ride was saved.

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    Re: School me on: 2-strokes

    thanks gentlemen, options noted. I have a few of the small oil bottles laying around from a giveaway with my latest leaf blower purchase, i'll gather a few to bring. I did know about the fuel off thing, but nice to be reminded, i'm sure i'll forget at least once...

    As for Jetting, I've got my work cut out for me. I would not say that it is dialed right now. It was pretty damn close, before I added the Boyesen RAD valve, which if i'm not mistaken usually requires a jetting change in itself. now its also going to be colder, and higher. so I believe i have to lean it out a FEW steps. trying to find good baseline info so i can get started on that this week.

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    Re: School me on: 2-strokes

    What are you riding?

    In my experience the book is pretty good for my KTM. Although it seems I chew up a lot of go-juice. I suppose I could lean it out some and extend range, maybe even improve power. I worry that would effect longevity though.

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    Re: School me on: 2-strokes

    That's the bottle, and I just leave the backpack prepped. The weight is negligible, I like the extra padding on my back for oopsies, being over provisioned never really bothered me.

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    Re: School me on: 2-strokes

    2009 250 xc.

    And that is the mixing bottle i have. i plan to bring a tail bag and a camel back style backpack. could always go with my larger bag/hydration if needed.

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    Re: School me on: 2-strokes

    Whatever you do don't use a castor based oil.
    It doesn't mix without a metric shit ton of agitation. Fouled a plug every time even after shutting the fuel off and shaking the bike so around.

    Not sure about changing the jetting. Didn't touch it on my 125 and she screamed well. Colder than normal temps helped to normalize the changes caused by elevation.

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    Re: School me on: 2-strokes

    Synthetic oil for sure. I would do the little 1 gal bottles. Put one in first, pump the gas at full honk, then add a little after you know how much fuel went in. Now shake, shake, shake.

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    Re: School me on: 2-strokes

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_E_D View Post
    Synthetic oil for sure. I would do the little 1 gal bottles. Put one in first, pump the gas at full honk, then add a little after you know how much fuel went in. Now shake, shake, shake.
    A gallon bottle of premix?! What ratio are you using!?

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