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School me on: 2-strokes

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    I have an xr250 - needs a top end and haven't ridden it - they suck that much?

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    They dont' suck at all. I suck.
    I loved the engine. Fuggin' thing is a tractor.
    But I suck at riding. I unfortunately crashed it several times. Water puddles seemed to be my downfall yesterday. Every damned time I even looked at a puddle or stream crossing the front end washed out on me. Once I went down while looking at the stream up ahead trying to pick a line. I didn't even get to the GD water!!! And there was this one hillclimb I just couldn't handle.
    But other than that, the XR250 is tremendously awesome motorbike.

    That said, the KTM 350 he upgraded to is insane.

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    Re: School me on: 2-strokes

    depends where you're riding, I hated my XR for singletrack. solid bike though.

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    oh ya...dirt bike technology has improved dramatically over that 20 year span...an older 4 stroke is nothing like a newer one

    I'd say the 4t's have improved more significantly than the 2t's

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    Re: School me on: 2-strokes

    Have you rode a modern 2st?

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    Re: School me on: 2-strokes

    He's never even seen anything built after 1995.

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    newest 2t I've ridden is prob 2002...yz250

    I don't buy new shit, then let it depreciate, and sell it at a loss...especially after the rm125, I decided not to buy used shit, invest a ton, then sell it as a loss...the last 10 bikes I bought I'm making money on each one...they may be old, but it's like someone is paying me $300-$1,000 to ride each one

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    Re: School me on: 2-strokes

    When I'm not riding my big smoker, I always dream of something better, like a new 350. But, when I am riding and racing there no bike I would rather be on. There is something to be said for a setup 2 stroke. It's so easy to ride slow and easy and fast and aggressive.

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    Re: School me on: 2-strokes

    How is it easy to ride slow? Especially in choppy/rocky stuff, aren't you on the clutch non-stop?

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    Re: School me on: 2-strokes

    I have a cheater clutch so that isn't an issue. Regardless the clutch work is no different than with a four stroke. Maybe less, because you can run a 300 down to idle speed and crack the throttle, where many 4 strokes would stall in the same situation.

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    Re: School me on: 2-strokes

    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    How is it easy to ride slow? Especially in choppy/rocky stuff, aren't you on the clutch non-stop?
    Rekluse.
    Edit: or Midwest mountain engineering levers help a TON if you are gonna ride without a rekluse. Having done both, the rekluse is going back in my bike as soon as I wash it.

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    Re: School me on: 2-strokes

    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    How is it easy to ride slow? Especially in choppy/rocky stuff, aren't you on the clutch non-stop?
    Not all 2 strokes have no bottom end. Hell with the fww and woods porting on my 125 I don't really have to use the clutch much even when going through slow technical stuff.

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    I have no plan on installing a "cheater" clutch. I'm not in it to win it, I'm in it for the experience. I do not want a bunch of stuff that is way different than my street or track setups.

    Which I think is another vote for 4-stroke; closer to everything else in the stable.
    Although that's a vote against too; should jump on the opportunity to own something different.

    Meh. Clearly I need to abuse more people's stuff. I still don't understand why so many of you keep offering.


    So.. what makes the KTM 2t's so magical compared to everything else? What gives them power down low vs the rest? Flywheel? Tuning? This power valve business?

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    Re: School me on: 2-strokes

    We've been over this... Lower COG, incredibly exciting motors that can trundle at 500rpms, and rip your arms off at 12-14k. Not to mention that they FEEL 50 pounds lighter...

    But anyway, go ride one.

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    Re: School me on: 2-strokes

    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    I have no plan on installing a "cheater" clutch. I'm not in it to win it, I'm in it for the experience. I do not want a bunch of stuff that is way different than my street or track setups.

    Which I think is another vote for 4-stroke; closer to everything else in the stable.
    Although that's a vote against too; should jump on the opportunity to own something different.

    Meh. Clearly I need to abuse more people's stuff. I still don't understand why so many of you keep offering.


    So.. what makes the KTM 2t's so magical compared to everything else? What gives them power down low vs the rest? Flywheel? Tuning? This power valve business?
    A cheater clutch will only enhance your experience. You still have a clutch to shift with and slip if you want. It's just a stall preventer and holeshot device. Come to freetown on Sunday. Bring a couple bottles of home brew. We'll set you straight as an arrow.

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    Re: School me on: 2-strokes

    I tried a KTM 200 XCW yesterday. My first time on a 2t. Stalled it a couple times. Clutch was pulled in, but it needed some throttle so it would keep running. I'm guessing the idle was set too low, or is this normal for a 2t?

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    Not normal.

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    Re: School me on: 2-strokes

    My KDX's have great lower end and I've never had a cheater clutch. I don't flame out that often and it's not hard to slip it in and rev it a little. PLUS, it slow situations a little slippage and revs work like a gyroscope at keeping you upright.

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    having a wide ratio geared bike or a bigger rear/smaller front sprocket also helps w' the tricky stuff...

    I tried an mx bike 2-smoke stock gearing @ R7's place a few years back...I remember just being in 1st gear for a lot of it and slipping the clutch a lot

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    Wide ratio, schmide schmatio.

    People love the W, don't get me wrong, but it's not necessary by any means.

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    ^ agreed. i've always ridden MX bikes in the woods until the WR/RR. never had an issue.

    my buddy Chris goes pretty good on his '02 CR250R. he's on the fence about going Orange but it's been difficult for him to find fault with his bike. (12oz FWW, 18" rear, woodsy suspenders. that's it.)

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    Re: School me on: 2-strokes

    When my jankie worn out Mikuni VM was in it's happy zone, my WR250 (Two stroke, not one of the new, blighted with too many valves modern jobbers) would chug down well below idle. Basically as long as you could hear the cylinder still moving, it'd respond to throttle. With the new SmartCarb on there, it responds, but without needing to clear it's throat as it wakes back up from a long chug.

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    Re: School me on: 2-strokes

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurlon View Post
    When my jankie worn out Mikuni VM was in it's happy zone, my WR250 (Two stroke, not one of the new, blighted with too many valves modern jobbers) would chug down well below idle. Basically as long as you could hear the cylinder still moving, it'd respond to throttle. With the new SmartCarb on there, it responds, but without needing to clear it's throat as it wakes back up from a long chug.
    Million Dollar Baby you mean?

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    Million Dollar Baby you mean?
    I like to think of it as a display case for the carb while I wait for a new machine to swap it into. Should EFI appear on two strokes before I find said new home there will be a fire sale on a blingy billet carb real quick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurlon View Post
    Should EFI appear on two strokes before I find said new home there will be a fire sale...
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