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    Track toy for ol' bubs..


    Yeah, I can't help it, I want a sport bike!

    I did my 2nd ever track day a few days ago. Had a blast. Loved every minute of it. I hung out with cool cats and got to wring the living piss out of my trusty fugly V-Strom. I will be back, at least once this summer. And really, I think I'm addicted.

    But every time I saw a bike go down I was reminded how I was just one poor decision away from making that poor bike really ugly.. or worse. My street bike is clean. It wasn't huge money, but it was money. I'd be kinda hurting if I fubar'ed it bad; it deserves better.

    It also isn't the best, ergonomically speaking. I'm addicted to hanging off the bike and am finding that kinda difficult on such a tall bike with such a big tank. And the damned thing is HEAVY. I know much of the reason why I am so wrecked after these track days is my form sucking.. but some of it is because this baby is no lightweight.

    At this very moment, I want a 2nd bike. And I want it to be a sport-bike. Anybody interested in helping me shop dream?

    I think I have my requirements:
    - Reasonably cheap
    - Reasonably bulletproof (read: Japanese)
    - Easy to maintain
    - Not an SV (I basically have an SV already, something different please)
    - Revs to the moon, I'm in the mood for something with a high redline
    - Sport-bike ergonomics
    - Street registrable

    If I were smart, I'd buy something like Shep's GS500 and call it a day. But in my mind I cannot justify a track-only toy. I know it'll cost me more and put more at risk should I wad it up. But I need something I can legally street ride.

    Non-requirements:
    - High performance; I am getting used to track life, but not that used to it!
    - Comfort: this would be a local weekend toy, not a commuter
    - Looks: Beaters work for me

    - - - Updated - - -

    Yeah, I know I already posted a thread a lot like this.

    No, I'm not any more or less serious than I was that time. .. But my requirements are different!

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    Re: Track toy for ol' bubs..

    It was good to see ya back out there, dude! Sorry we didn't get a chance to spin some laps together.

    For what it's worth, you basically DON'T have an SV. Same lump, but COMPLETELY different bike. Next time you're at the track I'll let ya take mine for a spin & you'll see just how different they really are.

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    Re: Track toy for ol' bubs..

    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    /- Not an SV (I basically have an SV already, something different please)
    - Revs to the moon, I'm in the mood for something with a high redline
    - Sport-bike ergonomics
    - Street registrable/
    Quote Originally Posted by OreoGaborio View Post
    /For what it's worth, you basically DON'T have an SV. Same lump, but COMPLETELY different bike. /


    Yes, it's a terrible idea to buy a bike that is 80 lbs lighter, has a top speed nearly 20mph higher, sport-oriented riding position, is reliable, durable, easy to work on, and has dirt cheap service parts so that you can focus 100% of your attention on riding instead of maintenance. Because it has the same basic engine. 10,000 rpms is chicken feed.

    It's a much better plan to buy an inline four. Otherwise you'd wind up spending all that money on track days, ARC courses, personal instruction, etc.

    V-Strom.


    Not V-Strom.

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    Buy Shep's GS500 and call it a season at least. You can always get something streetable that revs to the moon next year if you decide it isn't for you.

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    Re: Track toy for ol' bubs..

    Jared, I just can't justify the garage space to something I can't jump on and gofer a ride on without paying >$200 and taking a day off from work. I really don't have the competitive drive or level of commitment to ever go racing.

    I'm also thinking this would sort of be a buddy bike. Maybe even something the missus could learn on, should she ever change her mind about riding.

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    Sounds like you need to buy a 600 but I'm not sure what "reasonably cheap" means for you. You can get a decent 600 in the 3-4k range and if new enough will have adjustable suspension and good brakes.

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    Re: Track toy for ol' bubs..

    You need to come try out my SV. Sunday?

    I have the last 3 days of next week off as well.

    Seriously man, I own both. They aren't alike. SV is the bees knees for what you describe. Hell, even Chippertheripper got one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OreoGaborio View Post
    It was good to see ya back out there, dude! Sorry we didn't get a chance to spin some laps together.

    For what it's worth, you basically DON'T have an SV. Same lump, but COMPLETELY different bike. Next time you're at the track I'll let ya take mine for a spin & you'll see just how different they really are.
    A track day AND a joy ride?! Geez, you guys sure know how to market! Where's my credit card?!

    Thanks man. I thought I saw you out there doing some of your 1:1 magic.

    I do think you TTD guys seem to favor SV's for your body position demos. Last year it was Radas.. this year Steves. Both make it very clear the DL is no SV.

    On that subject.. yeah, yeah, the DL is no SV. I'm phrasing that wrong. What I mean to say is that I want something mo' different. The SV is just too close to home. ... Maybe I have it all wrong; maybe that's a good thing. One oil filter to collect.. parts borrowing in a pinch.. meh.

    Feel free to shoot down these ideas:
    - An older CBR600. I don't know what kind of heap of a CBR my budget would buy. But it seems to have worked out okay for Jason
    - A Ninja/EX250. They rev to 14k-ish and weigh way, way less. Cost nothing. Got the sportbike ergos too. The question is.. is ~27HP enough for a ... uh ... big boy like me?

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    Re: Track toy for ol' bubs..

    Or, come ride the Rex AND the SV. Both will give you what you need. I got wut you need.

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    I had a couple offers this week to ride bikes I should not have passed on. First a woman in my ARC class offered to let me take her late model (the nicer looking) Ninja 250 for a spin. Then Brian offered to let me take his EX500 race bike for a rip around the infield. Neither happened. I need to stop being polite...

    Quote Originally Posted by TheIglu View Post
    Sunday?
    You an early riser? I have to be back by 1-1:30 PM to pick the wifey up at the airport. It'd be nice to meet you before September anyway...

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    Re: Track toy for ol' bubs..

    I rode a Rex once (long ago). It was the runner up to the Bandit 1200 I bought when I got out of college. I was a afraid of radiators and cheaped out, went with the Bandit.

    Waaaaay too much bike for this cowboy nowadays. I'm thinking ~600 or less. I'd really like something uber light and flickable. .. Oh, and easier on tires!

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    Re: Track toy for ol' bubs..

    But seriously though; if you're really hot for an inline 4 then an older CBR with updated suspension will be a great time. Everyone's right though; SV is the way to go for what you've described as goals / use cases.

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    Re: Track toy for ol' bubs..

    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    - A Ninja/EX250. They rev to 14k-ish and weigh way, way less. Cost nothing. Got the sportbike ergos too. The question is.. is ~27HP enough for a ... uh ... big boy like me?
    I like this option! I weight about 200 pounds BTW, just let it rev! Here's an example of how much fun an EX250 can be!


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    Re: Track toy for ol' bubs..

    Roland. I've been reading a bunch of your old posts. Thanks for the link to the video.


    So what you guys are saying is that I should go get this:
    http://nh.craigslist.org/mcy/3805642885.html

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    Re: Track toy for ol' bubs..

    No.

    I got mine for not significantly more than that. Clean title, Penske in the back, M4 exhaust, Traxxion dynamics front end, etc etc etc

    My buddy who came to deals last year got one identical to that with a Corbin seat, mint, M4 exhaust, clean title, for less.

    Deals are out there, just gotta wait and find the right one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    I had a couple offers this week to ride bikes I should not have passed on. First a woman in my ARC class offered to let me take her late model (the nicer looking) Ninja 250 for a spin. Then Brian offered to let me take his EX500 race bike for a rip around the infield. Neither happened. I need to stop being polite...



    You an early riser? I have to be back by 1-1:30 PM to pick the wifey up at the airport. It'd be nice to meet you before September anyway...
    Depends on the weather. BTW, a stock Rex is a lot like a stock SV. Fine and dandy, but once you get it setup, holy shit. Other than some jetting on wet humid hot days, the Rex is just stupid fast compared to a stocker.

    I've instructed track days on it. No problem making BMW 1000RR's feel bad about themselves on it with touring tires and a huge Corbin GF+L either.....they are quick and fast on the track if you know how to use the power and know what kinda heft you are hauling around.

    But from what you've said? SV all the way. No doubt in my mind that you'll think so once you ride either Pete's or mine.

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    Oh, Colin...just dont be like point37 and take 7 months and 11 pages of threads to decide to maybe go test drive a bike or 2.....


    Just go buy that silver SV, you wont regret it. and if you do regret it, its an easy sell...

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    Re: Track toy for ol' bubs..

    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    I had a couple offers this week to ride bikes I should not have passed on. First a woman in my ARC class offered to let me take her late model (the nicer looking) Ninja 250 for a spin. Then Brian offered to let me take his EX500 race bike for a rip around the infield. Neither happened. I need to stop being polite...
    You should have stopped by garage 3 and say hi. I would have let you take the 250 out. Last year I let KB take it for a spin and he crashed it, so now I'll let just about anyone take it out for a spin. Actually trying both a 250 and a 500 would have been a good idea. Not everyone is as twisted as I am with regards to under-powered bikes.

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    Re: Track toy for ol' bubs..

    This sounds somehow familiar ....

    I can't help you pick a bike. Not at all. I've never even ridden mine.

    I can tell you that a 15 year old i4 600 can be had for about $1500. It takes time and effort. I first email the PO of my bike on 8/2. I picked it up on 9/16. It needed tires. It needed brakes. It needed suspension bits (cause I'm fat, mostly). It needed the seat recovered. It needed frame sliders. It needed throttle cables. Chain and sprockets were good. Plastics were mostly good.

    If I were doing it right now I'd have trouble not handing Sheppo $850. I really get the "I want this to be streetable" argument. I really, really get it. It's a justification argument. I can't possibly spend that much money on something I'm going to use 2-3 days per year. The flip side, however, is a bigger spend, both for the bike and for other things. I have no idea what you pay for insurance, but my initial quotes for adding the sport bike (bodily injury, property and uninsured motorist), which is worth $1500, was as much as full coverage on the wing with a $500 deductible.

    I get where you are. Nothing wrong with what you're doing. I've already done it.

    Will I ever get mine on the street? I hope so, but I'm not sure that I will.

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    Re: Track toy for ol' bubs..

    You can always split the difference between a 2 and a 4.


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    Re: Track toy for ol' bubs..

    Quote Originally Posted by TheIglu View Post
    You need to come try out my SV. Sunday?

    I have the last 3 days of next week off as well.

    Seriously man, I own both. They aren't alike. SV is the bees knees for what you describe. Hell, even Chippertheripper got one!
    It's the Goldie Locks of motorcycles.
    Ps I paid $1200 for mine.
    I almost felt bad for hosing the kid, till I, in turn, got hosed building it.
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    I've never riddin a strom, so I can't speak to how different it is, but the sv is pretty good. Great, even.
    That said, if I had an extra thousand kicking around, I'd own shepps gs in a second. So do me a favor. Buy it and ride it. I promise to, in turn, buy it from you at the end of the season to race uscra with next year. Deal? Good.

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    Re: Track toy for ol' bubs..

    Any jap 600 will fit the bill.

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    By the way, I never said I was hooked on an I4. In fact I would rather not. I remember dealing with four carbs at once and not enjoying the experience.

    Also, I think this toy should be carb'ed. EFI is glorious for a daily rider. But carbs'll do for this.

    Quote Originally Posted by jwm2k3 View Post
    Oh, Colin...just dont be like point37 and take 7 months and 11 pages of threads to decide to maybe go test drive a bike or 2.....
    Ha! No promises. And I still have to sell the wife on this plan. Although I know this isn't the right forum for that discussion!

    Quote Originally Posted by rolker View Post
    You should have stopped by garage 3 and say hi.
    Mighty fine offer, to lend me a bike like that. There are about a hundred people I need to meet. Somehow when I show up at a race or track day little of it seems to happen. I should make a list or something..

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