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    Re: Track toy for ol' bubs..


    Quote Originally Posted by jasnmar View Post
    Is a viffer a track toy?
    I think KenC tracked one for a couple of years.

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    Re: Track toy for ol' bubs..

    I've tracked a Goldwing (not well mind you). It is possible to track a lot of things.

    My question for Colin was about if this is what he's looking for from a "track toy". I don't think it is, but I could be wrong.

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    TZ's are nice track toys. RS 125's are nice. Then motards. Everything else is bulky. And complicated.

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    Re: Track toy for ol' bubs..

    $1000.00 buck big guy... no insurance, no registration. Drop it who cares... Drop your VStrom and watch $1000 plus go out the window, PLUS your insurance rates....

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    Re: Track toy for ol' bubs..

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheppo View Post
    $1000.00 buck big guy... no insurance, no registration. Drop it who cares... Drop your VStrom and watch $228.50 go out the window
    FFY

    Bad news: V-Stroms weigh 70-80 lbs more than an SV. Suzuki tun signals always break (now I use Buells).
    Good news: those "Adventury" engine guards are not like the puny-man models on street bikes.




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    Mine already has Buell signals. A tip over at a stop sign took care of that upgrade. And yes, the roo-rammer brush .. er engine guards do work well.

    A setup GS that nobody cares if I smash into a million pieces, that is already setup (kinda), and ready to roll through tech definitely has its draw though. Don't get me wrong Shep, yours is on my short list. It's even air cooled, so I can shove it in the woodshed this winter and not even think twice about it.

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    Re: Track toy for ol' bubs..

    Still looking for an affordable street/track bike? I don't know the details, but I saw an EX500 while driving by Rochester Sports Center on 125 (Between Rochester and Barrington).

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    Re: Track toy for ol' bubs..

    Thanks. But I actually think I'm not interested in an EX500. If I went EX, it'd be a 250. And if I went 500, it's be Dougs' air cooled GS500. I just don't like the EX500 very much. (And I say that without ever having actually ridden one.)

    That said, maybe I'll accidentally drive up there sometime this weekend.

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    Re: Track toy for ol' bubs..

    Why don't you like the ex?

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    Re: Track toy for ol' bubs..

    Yeah, you have to ask.. don't you. I suppose I should actually ride it first. But I'm not a fan of what I've seen. Seems like dated tech. And on this particular purchase, if I'm going to go old tech, I'd go for the GS as it is air cooled and I wouldn't have to think about winterizing as much.
    I've read a lot of negative things about it. In the end, I just think I can get more for my money elsewhere.

    Summary: No real logical reason, per say.

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    Re: Track toy for ol' bubs..

    When looking, I felt very much the same about the ex500. Nothing I could explain. I was just very meh about it.

    In browsing for stuff I was more impressed by the 250 than the 500. The 250 was a little bike. It just seemed that the 500 was failing to be a 600.

    I knew this was not logical. I forced myself to go see on in person. I was even more meh after looking / sitting.

    Nothing about the ex500 excited me.

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    Re: Track toy for ol' bubs..

    Colin,
    This is right down you alley.
    http://www.argocycles.com/vehicle_de...=12&model=1403

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    Re: Track toy for ol' bubs..

    All of their machines feature "salvage" titles, correct?

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    Re: Track toy for ol' bubs..

    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    All of their machines feature "salvage" titles, correct?
    And are overpriced.

    And the ex might not be all that...but its a pretty fun track bike. I had forgot how fun it was to ride one until last years vintage endurance. And they are cheap. Cheap.

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    Re: Track toy for ol' bubs..

    The overpriced I knew.. although that CBR doesn't seem that bad considering what pots o' gold most CL listers seem to think they have.

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    Re: Track toy for ol' bubs..

    Bubs is a good sized guy. As another good sized guy. I would say Fuck no to the idea of an EX. Unless it is a 650.

    I would for sure buy nothing less than a SV power wise. An SV is loads of fun but can be a bit frustrating when dealing with big bikes on the track. Although that same thing will teach you track savvy and corner speed. If I had it all to do over again I would still buy an SV as my first track bike. Tires will last better than on a sixhunert and they crash pretty well. Not you plan on crashing.....

    Good luck and enjoy the hunt. That is half the fun of this addiction!!

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    Re: Track toy for ol' bubs..

    'cause I got the CD yesterday and feel like posting.



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    Re: Track toy for ol' bubs..

    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    I think I was just offered a '92 VFR for $1500...
    BTW, if anyone's interested, I think he's finally serious about selling it. He never rides the thing.

    "Oooh, Cambridge, it's toooo dangerous!"
    Well move ya' dummy!

    I do wish I could have it. I dig the nosies those things make. But alas, if it can't be, maybe one of you clowns.

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    I too recently went to the track for the first time and am actually considering getting a track only bike as I think that would be cheaper since you can get them with questionable titles, and not pay insurance.

    From a noob perspective I did look at the SV. And may end up getting one, but you have to consider the overall cost to make it truely comparable. You will need to update the suspension at the very least. Cheap would be new springs and oil in the front and a zx10 or zx14 shock in the rear($200 springs, $10 oil, $150 rear shock, $360). But if you want brakes and real front suspension a GSXR front end swap is what your after and that will be $1000 if your lucky and a performance rear shock will set you back $600-$1000. So if you pay $2500 for the SV and put $2000 in suspension mods(nothing to the engine or body work yet) then your at $4500 for a bike that weighs about 40lbs more than a 600 and has comparable suspension to a 600, but has 30% less HP.

    You can find rough shape 600's with EFI and upside down forks(2003-2006ish) for around 3k if you look hard and negotiate(CL may start out at $5,500, which is completely unreasonable, but they don't get any serious offers or they get super low balls like $2000 or something, so they are willing to negotiate usually if your gentle about it and gain a bit of a raport with the guys first before blerting out "will you take this"?). Wera Classifieds also has race bikes for fairly cheap.

    I kinda wanna find a cool race only bike like a RS125 or something. It's hard to find though. Even Wera Classifieds has mostly street bikes in various stages of track readiness. And can't afford to buy a new race bike.

    I also have a good track bike(2007 GSXR 750), but I think it's got too much power for me and the value on it is much more than what I could get a decent track bike for. So I am thinking about selling to get a lower power track bike + cash for track days.

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    Re: Track toy for ol' bubs..

    Quote Originally Posted by Tunertype View Post
    I too recently went to the track for the first time and am actually considering getting a track only bike as I think that would be cheaper since you can get them with questionable titles, and not pay insurance.

    From a noob perspective I did look at the SV. And may end up getting one, but you have to consider the overall cost to make it truely comparable. You will need to update the suspension at the very least. Cheap would be new springs and oil in the front and a zx10 or zx14 shock in the rear($200 springs, $10 oil, $150 rear shock, $360). But if you want brakes and real front suspension a GSXR front end swap is what your after and that will be $1000 if your lucky and a performance rear shock will set you back $600-$1000. So if you pay $2500 for the SV and put $2000 in suspension mods(nothing to the engine or body work yet) then your at $4500 for a bike that weighs about 40lbs more than a 600 and has comparable suspension to a 600, but has 30% less HP.

    You can find rough shape 600's with EFI and upside down forks(2003-2006ish) for around 3k if you look hard and negotiate(CL may start out at $5,500, which is completely unreasonable, but they don't get any serious offers or they get super low balls like $2000 or something, so they are willing to negotiate usually if your gentle about it and gain a bit of a raport with the guys first before blerting out "will you take this"?). Wera Classifieds also has race bikes for fairly cheap.

    I kinda wanna find a cool race only bike like a RS125 or something. It's hard to find though. Even Wera Classifieds has mostly street bikes in various stages of track readiness. And can't afford to buy a new race bike.

    I also have a good track bike(2007 GSXR 750), but I think it's got too much power for me and the value on it is much more than what I could get a decent track bike for. So I am thinking about selling to get a lower power track bike + cash for track days.
    I know you mean well, but you are pretty far off.

    There is no reason for a gsxr front end on an SV. Bling factor? A well setup stock fork is good for mid to high teens. But he's not racing, so springs and emulators would work fine.


    Rear shock? Yes, but if the price of the SV was $1500 and it came with one, moot point.

    Engine! Oil change. Maybe new plugs. What else?

    Bodywork? Like sliders? Oh! That's right, full race body kit with custom paint. I forgot that is required for a track beater.

    Tires? Yeah, one to two sets a season vs how many sets with a 600 or750?

    Your math assumes far too many things that just aren't true.

    Then you talk about an Rs125....because top ends, clutches and cranks are cheap.

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    Re: Track toy for ol' bubs..

    Quote Originally Posted by Garandman View Post
    Bad news: V-Stroms weigh 70-80 lbs more than an SV
    And probably 150lbs more than a track prepped SV

    My SV clocks in somewhere around 350 ready to roll.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheIglu View Post
    I know you mean well, but you are pretty far off.

    There is no reason for a gsxr front end on an SV. Bling factor? A well setup stock fork is good for mid to high teens. But he's not racing, so springs and emulators would work fine.


    Rear shock? Yes, but if the price of the SV was $1500 and it came with one, moot point.

    Engine! Oil change. Maybe new plugs. What else?

    Bodywork? Like sliders? Oh! That's right, full race body kit with custom paint. I forgot that is required for a track beater.

    Tires? Yeah, one to two sets a season vs how many sets with a 600 or750?

    Your math assumes far too many things that just aren't true.

    Then you talk about an Rs125....because top ends, clutches and cranks are cheap.
    LOL. Couldnt' agree more.

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    Re: Track toy for ol' bubs..

    I bought my current street 2000 SV650 for $1500.
    I waited until deals came along and upgraded the front forks-Chuck's old set up (SV lowers and zx6r uppers), a Penske double, Woodcraft rear sets/clipons/sliders and even a spare set of wheels.
    All in, I'm right around $2700 total. And if I sell off some of the stock stuff, I'll be in even less.

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    Yeah if you pay $1500 for the bike and not $2500 makes a huge difference. Id want a 2003+ though for EFI. Especially when a track bike will most likely be run 2-6 times per year for less than 1k/year.

    What kinds of stuff can u take off an SV to drop 100lbs off the wet weight? If I can really have a 65hp 350lb capable track toy for less than $3000 I would be very happy.

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    I'd prefer the carb'd version. Cheaper to jet.....

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    Re: Track toy for ol' bubs..

    Quote Originally Posted by TheIglu View Post
    There is no reason for a gsxr front end on an SV. Bling factor? A well setup stock fork is good for mid to high teens. But he's not racing, so springs and emulators would work fine.
    I'm talking out of my ass, because I've never owned anything with upside down forks. But the information I've read says this is completely true. And again, i'm not looking to race, or even be "competitive". So really, I could give a shit.

    Honestly, I'm still having a hard time not buying a 100% stock CBR6, SV650S, EX250, or whatever the hell else I can think of and just running it at the track. My street DL is a boatload of fun. The two biggest dings against it are the ergonomics and the fact that if I crashed it I'd cry like a baby. As I say, it deserves better. Sure, it's heavy and kinda underpowered. But if it weren't for the first two dings I'd keep running it without complaint.

    If I suddenly found a pile of money I'd probably pick up a mid 00's CBR600RR, add sliders and fuel and ride.

    Yeah, I know I keep mentioning 100+ HP 600cc inlines. Sue me.

    Reality is that isn't the best bang for the buck.

    Found some money in the budget late this week. I now have a fixed top-end to my initial buy-in budget. The good news is it is deep in salvage title SV territory. The bad news it isn't anywhere near 98% of the fully prep'ed stuff on WERA, etc. My reality will likely land somewhere in the middle. Hopefully this means it requires work and is not turn-key. Although it may mean that I wind up paying full $$ for some of the goodies down the line.

    Only road block now is spousal approval.

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