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"I'd rather ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow"
Bikes: Ducati: 748 (Track) Honda: RC31 (Race/street)/ CRF 110 Mini Moto/ Hawk Endurance Racer Kawasaki: ZXR1200R
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oh comon. i'll bet you a lot of people have no clue. so what am i talking about again? not the speed. all i know is given the same speed taken at different line with how slow/fast you turn you could lay it down at different angle. dont know how far you can go really but when i scrape something, that's as far as i know. from that pic it's pretty far but im sure you and every race guy can ride like that already. not talking about fast or am i wrong? do yo uahve to go mach 1 to get to that?
not trolling man. just retard. dont reply if dont want but you will get same reply as hesososososogood.
"fuckit!"
The only thing that I would even come close to considering "ignorant" was his question about riding like that at parking lot speeds or the question about the tires..... the rest I actually understood.... maybe his engrish is getting better, or maybe I'm just finally learning Khamish.
-Pete LRRS/CCS #81 - ECK Racing, TonysTrackDays
GMD Computrack Boston | Pine Motorparts/PBE Specialists | Phoenix Graphics | Woodcraft | MTag-Pirelli | OnTrack Media
The Garage: '03 Tuono | '06 SV650
My physics might be off, but I think a lean angle like that without the speed to generate centrifugal force would result in the bike simply falling over.
Now you can attain more lean angle at slower speeds by changing body position so that you lean opposite the lean of the bike, as you might for slow speed parking lot turns, but I've never understood why a rider would want more lean angle than necessary because it eats up part of the "traction pie."
see i pete. he speaks my languange.
the parking lot speed was exagerated to get to hesogood. i can play his smartass game.
we were told doing lazy turn will need more laying down to make the corner as well. as to why you want to do this? beats me. looks fun til you get wash out?
"fuckit!"
Ask anyone. I can't ride like that.
Kham you just come across wrong. I hope you are just trying to improve yourself. Seriously come to the track.
LAPS days are VERY cheap! http://www.leanangleperformance.com/tracks/
Hell I will give you $50 if I see you at one of those days!!
"I'd rather ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow"
Bikes: Ducati: 748 (Track) Honda: RC31 (Race/street)/ CRF 110 Mini Moto/ Hawk Endurance Racer Kawasaki: ZXR1200R
BOMO Instructor
EX# X
-Pete LRRS/CCS #81 - ECK Racing, TonysTrackDays
GMD Computrack Boston | Pine Motorparts/PBE Specialists | Phoenix Graphics | Woodcraft | MTag-Pirelli | OnTrack Media
The Garage: '03 Tuono | '06 SV650
yes which means it has to lean more and hold it there longer. right? when i asked about my stock peg height, that's the first thing you said. on the other hand when you point early, probly little slower entry?, you can drive out harder early because you would have more traction = less lean which can result quicker time?
Last edited by Kham; 08-14-09 at 12:08 PM.
"fuckit!"
"I'd rather ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow"
Bikes: Ducati: 748 (Track) Honda: RC31 (Race/street)/ CRF 110 Mini Moto/ Hawk Endurance Racer Kawasaki: ZXR1200R
BOMO Instructor
EX# X
"I'd rather ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow"
Bikes: Ducati: 748 (Track) Honda: RC31 (Race/street)/ CRF 110 Mini Moto/ Hawk Endurance Racer Kawasaki: ZXR1200R
BOMO Instructor
EX# X
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yup. pretty much. Except for the slower entry speed part. You can enter just as fast, if not faster when you ue the whole traction circle.Originally Posted by Kham
-Pete LRRS/CCS #81 - ECK Racing, TonysTrackDays
GMD Computrack Boston | Pine Motorparts/PBE Specialists | Phoenix Graphics | Woodcraft | MTag-Pirelli | OnTrack Media
The Garage: '03 Tuono | '06 SV650
If you crash we fix your bike and get you back out there.
"I'd rather ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow"
Bikes: Ducati: 748 (Track) Honda: RC31 (Race/street)/ CRF 110 Mini Moto/ Hawk Endurance Racer Kawasaki: ZXR1200R
BOMO Instructor
EX# X
Worked for me. Few years ago when I first rolled into PK's shop I tried stuffing my wallet into the the shock. He promptly showed me his nice CC machine that works sooo much better.
Several swipes latter I'm more gooder than I usta was.
Why not?
I'm way stupider than you could possibly imagine.
Either way it's scary. Cause I'm understanding more too
~ Life passes most people by while they're busy making grand plans for it.~
Ye Gawds, I'm such a coward. I hang the sole of my shoe out over the edge of the peg and inch or two, when that's scrapin' pavement, that e-fuggin-nuff. My ass crack ain't half-hangin' off the bike, but it's as upright as I can keep it in a 35 MPH turn doin' 50 or 60 or so. And you doods are doin' this stuff HOW fast? 75? 80? 100? 110?
Yall need a shrink. I realize my C-14 ain't a Gixxer, and any of yall could do more with my bike than I could, but still. Maybe I need a track day. But a 700 lb bike ain't the way ta go, is it? I mean, what would be the strategy for piloting a C-14 around that track? Impossible, right? Bikes sure have changed the last, oh, 30 years?
Last edited by toocrazy2yoo; 08-14-09 at 05:17 PM.
Last edited by OreoGaborio; 08-14-09 at 05:24 PM.
-Pete LRRS/CCS #81 - ECK Racing, TonysTrackDays
GMD Computrack Boston | Pine Motorparts/PBE Specialists | Phoenix Graphics | Woodcraft | MTag-Pirelli | OnTrack Media
The Garage: '03 Tuono | '06 SV650
Dino can get a knee down in a tight circle. I've seen him do it. Its all about the lateral force coefficient. Speed & arc combined are what allows you to lean the bike without dropping it. Think of the Turkish Twist a Canobie Lake Park. Once they get it spun up enough and your body has enough lateral force, they can drop the floor out and you stick to a wall.
Same rules apply to a bike. The faster you are in a curve the more you can lean because the lateral force & vertical load push the tires into the ground more. Also, the tightness of the curve puts more force on the tire as well (Turkish Tiwst has a static curve ). So the limiting factor is the tires ability to stick to the pavement with the given lateral and force for a given vertical load (lateral force coefficient). This is kinda what Pete's talking about and why a smooth arc and throttle control close to the apex is critical. The few feet before and after the apex is where the force is at its max on the tires.
Dino is able to get the right arc with the right speed without breaking his tires loose to get a knee down. I want to say its like a 15 foot radius or something.
PS. I'm not expert on this crap.
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