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    Re: Wendy Murphy tries to sensationalize Peter Lenz death

    Here's a more reasonable article.
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    Are kids old enough to be playing adult games?

    By Nancy Armour, AP National Writer | August 30, 2010

    They sail solo around the world, climb the highest mountains and race around ovals at breakneck speeds.

    They're kids, some not old enough to get into an R-rated movie on their own.

    On Sunday, a 13-year-old became the youngest person to die at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway when he fell off his motorcycle and was run over by a 12-year-old during a race, raising the question: How old is old enough when it comes to extreme sports?

    "They're not just small adults," said Dr. Lyle Micheli, director of the division of sports medicine at Children's Hospital of Boston and an adviser to the International Olympic Committee's medical commission on youth sports. "Kids are different. Kids have to be protected by society."

    Peter Lenz fell off his motorcycle during a warm-up lap for the U.S. Grand Prix Racers Union event at the speedway. Then he was hit by 12-year-old Xavier Zayat.

    Kids pushing boundaries is nothing new. Mozart was composing music when most children are still mastering their ABCs, and an 8-year-old's paintings are fetching six figures in Britain. Tiger Woods first showed off his golf skills at the grand old age of 2.

    But several child psychologists said there's a big difference between academic or cultural prodigies -- even phenoms in traditional sports -- and kids who risk their lives.

    In the last six months:

    -- 13-year-old Jordan Romero became the youngest climber to summit Mount Everest;

    -- 16-year-old Jessica Watson became the youngest person to sail around the globe solo, nonstop and unassisted;

    -- 14-year-old Laura Dekker from the Netherlands is currently at sea trying to top Watson's record.

    "A lot of teens, physically, are very much able to do similar things as adults because their body types have developed, and they've got the muscular strength," said Dr. Robyn Silverman, a psychologist who specializes in child and teen development. "Where we go wrong with these teens is that they have problems with impulse control, stress management, abstract thinking.

    "They really need to be able to understand the risks," Silverman added. "It looks so cool and teens have this process in their heads: 'It's cool, let's just do it.' There's not the, 'Let's step back and look at the pros and cons of the situation,' as adults would."

    That goes beyond the physical risks, Silverman said. Lenz had been riding bikes for six years, winning nine national championships and nine regional titles. He appeared to be a rising star in a series that bills itself as a prep for riders 12 to 18 who hope to compete at a higher level. Photos of the crash show Lenz sitting on the track with his arms raised and then getting up, raising his arms so other riders could see him.

    But one rider did not.

    In some cases, parents can't -- or aren't willing -- to impose boundaries on their children, said Kiki Weingarten, an education and parenting coach.

    "You have some parents who enjoy their children's notoriety -- good, bad or indifferent. You have the Lindsay Lohan moms, the 'Toddlers and Tiaras' moms," Weingarten said.

    Some parents are concerned their children won't like them. "No, no, no, no. You don't have to be their best friend. They don't have to like you. You have to be an authority figure.

    "Somebody," Weingarten said, "has to be the authority figure."

    But kids, like adults, are different, and some are able to handle the physical, mental and emotional rigors of extreme or high-level sports. Four-time Cup champ Jeff Gordon was driving Quarter Midgets at age 5, and two-time Cup winner Tony Stewart raced go-karts at age 7. British diver Tom Daley was 15 when he won the world title in the 10-meter platform last summer.

    Rather than imposing hard-and-fast age limits, each child should be considered individually, said Robert Epstein, former editor-in-chief of Psychology Today and author of "Teen 2.0: Saving Our Children and Families from the Torment of Adolescence."

    "Look directly at competence and maturity and then decide," Epstein said. "In our society, we treat all young people as equally incompetent and irresponsible, and we don't really nurture their confidence. So end up nurturing immaturity. ... As long as you're holding people back, holding them down, you don't see what they can do."

    Marianne Sunderland understands the concern -- and disapproval -- over children taking on what seem to be very adult pursuits. She's had the same reaction herself.

    "I think of a 13-year-old climbing Mount Everest and I think, 'Are you serious?' But I don't know mountain climbing," Sunderland said.

    She does, however, know her own two children, Zac and Abby, and what they did to prepare for their around-the-world sails. Zac Sunderland set the then-record for a solo sail around the world last summer at 17. Abby, at 16, failed earlier this year in her attempt to top her brother's mark.

    The Sunderland kids are experienced sailors. But when Abby Sunderland first talked of sailing around the world, her father tried to dissuade her by taking her out for long voyages in tough conditions. That, however, only fueled her passion for sailing, Marianne Sunderland said.

    After making sure their children were emotionally ready for their voyages -- including knowing that they could stop at any time -- did the Sunderlands let them go.

    "All I would say is that the parents should know their kid better than anybody," Marianne Sunderland said. "I wouldn't send Abby to climb Mount Everest next week. She's not ready. You try to train them. Or give them the experiences they need. If they continue to have a passion for it, you have to be able to judge if they're skilled enough or mature enough."

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    AP Sports Writer Bernie Wilson and AP National Writer Martha Irvine contributed to this report.

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    Re: Wendy Murphy tries to sensationalize Peter Lenz death

    America’s fair and balanced news source has rolled out a hateful talking head
    Fox News...

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    Re: Wendy Murphy tries to sensationalize Peter Lenz death

    What's worse?

    Giving your son the opportunity to pursue something he loved and was legitimately talented at... protecting him as best as you could, and from what I could gather being genuinely good parents, tragic as the end result may have been... Or... Swooping in like a heartless vulture to sensationalize and exploit the death of a good 13 year old kid and a nightmarish tragedy to the family that loved him so your "news" organization can sell more ad space for tooth whitening and viagra? Way to go Fox. Your reputation is well deserved. Cunt.

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    Re: Wendy Murphy tries to sensationalize Peter Lenz death

    Am I missing something? This is the article I read on FOX. Seems like perfectly straight forward reporting of a newsworthy story...

    Oh, and while I am firmly in favor of helping any kid, of any age, live out their passion, I am also mature enough to recognise that this is a legitimately, controversial topic. I admit to wondering about allowing a 14 year old girl to sail around the world solo. I don't know if it's because of some latent 'sexual biaz' (I hope not) or, more likely, because I know so little about sailing.

    People that express concern about sending such young people into harms way and mostly uneducated. And often wrong. But rarely evil....
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    INDIANAPOLIS -- The motorcycle racing community mourned the death of a promising 13-year-old rider in a crash at Indianapolis Motor Speedway while defending the youth circuit that allows teens to drive vehicles that can top 120 mph.

    Peter Lenz of Vancouver, Wash., fell off his bike during the warmup lap for Sunday's first race at Indianapolis and was run over by another motorcycle, driven by a 12-year-old. Medical workers immediately placed Lenz in a neck brace, put him on a stretcher and began chest compressions while taking him to a hospital.

    Several hours later, he was pronounced dead.

    The Marion County coroner's office said Lenz died from blunt force trauma. More details could be released Monday following an autopsy on the youngest driver or rider ever killed at the 101-year-old speedway.

    "Peter passed away early this morning when he was apparently struck by another rider," read a posting on Lenz's Facebook page, which was signed "Dad."

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    Lenz rode the No. 45 bike, and his father was at the track Sunday.

    It was the first death at the track since IndyCar driver Tony Renna was killed in testing in October 2003.

    Lenz had emerged as one of America's youngest rising stars.

    At age 11, he earned the "expert" license from the American Federation of Motorcyclists, and in March 2009, Lenz became the youngest rider ever to win an AFM race. This year, competing in the U.S. Grand Prix Racers Union series, Lenz had four wins, five podium finishes and was leading the MD250H classification in points.

    The grown-up resume just didn't match his appearance. Listed at 4-foot-11 and 81 pounds, the baby-faced Lenz described his profession as "kid."

    "Our hearts go out to the parents, family and friends of Peter Lenz," speedway CEO Jeff Belskus said in a statement. "Words cannot adequately express the sadness of our company and our employees about this tragic incident, and Peter is in our thoughts and prayers."

    It wasn't the first time Lenz was involved in a serious crash.

    A mechanical failure last season left Lenz with four broken bones and a severed radial nerve -- all of which required surgery. By November, Lenz was healthy again and by spring, he was back in Victory Lane.

    The fatal accident almost certainly will spark a debate about how young is too young for racers to be competing on one of the world's best-known tracks, whether it's inside a car or riding a motorcycle capable of exceeding 120 mph in a straightaway.

    The USGPRU sanctions races across the nation, billing itself as a development circuit for motorcycle racers from ages 12 to 18. The hope is these riders eventually will compete in a world-class series.

    Lenz seemed to be on his way to the top before the accident. He was struck by 12-year-old Xavier Zayat, of Flushing, N.Y., who escaped injury and did not race after the crash.

    "We are deeply saddened by this tragic loss, but know that Peter is racing even faster in the sky," the Lenz family said in a statement. "Our thoughts and prayers are now with the other racer and his family, who were also involved in this tragedy."

    Racers insist age has never been the issue.

    American Colin Edwards was running 250cc bikes at age 17, and Indy MotoGP runner-up Ben Spies was competing on the 125cc circuit at age 12.

    "That's not like a bike too big for him, you know, I mean this is our sport, we chose to do it," said American Nicky Hayden, the 2006 world champ who called the death "terrible."

    "I mean, sure, we know going in the consequences."

    But are new rules needed?

    Those in racing circles say no, comparing the sport to other potentially dangerous sports such as football and gymnastics. When asked about running at Indy, speedway officials pointed out that the series has stops at potentially more dangerous tracks.

    USGPRU officials said this was the first fatality in the series in nine years.

    Still, racing conditions were not ideal this weekend at Indy.

    Hot, dry weather turned the bumpy, 2.621-mile course into a slick track that tested the world's best riders.

    Reigning world champ Valentino Rossi fell four times, including a spill Sunday morning during a 20-minute warmup session. Sunday's Moto2 race was shortened after a big wreck on the first lap took out four drivers.

    "This was the most difficult race for everyone," MotoGP winner Dani Pedrosa said. "The conditions were very hard because of the heat and the asphalt was very greasy."

    After a brief delay to clear the track, the USGPRU race was restarted. Had they known the severity of the injuries, one official said they would have considered canceling the race. The three other races all started on time, though Lenz was never far from the racers' thoughts.

    "This is an ugly, terrible part of this sport," USGPRU chief steward Stewart Aitken-Cade said. "You do what you can to stop it from happening as best you can. That's really all that you can do."

    "Any time a racer is injured in this way and loses his life, it's tough, adult or child," Aitken-Cade added. "It just makes it especially difficult when it's a young guy like Peter."

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    Re: Wendy Murphy tries to sensationalize Peter Lenz death

    Quote Originally Posted by mrezra View Post
    I also don't like the way they worded the answers in the poll. It should have been simply 'yes' or 'no.'


    The question itself is a loaded one. By using key trigger words like "high-speed" and "extreme" in relation to "kids sports", they're not just using adjectives, they're making an attempt to pull on emotional strings. Take those words out, here's what you get:

    "Should kids be allowed to participate in sports?"

    Is that where they really want this to go? As far as the answers, you have the basic Yes/No/Undecided format...on the surface. But by adding the paragraph after "Not Sure" that concludes with "...kids can race motorcycles? Something doesn't make sense," they've essentially created a second negative response. They can then turn their own "unscientific" poll results into "Well 48% say yes, but 51% (46% no and 5% not sure) are against it."

    This is just one of those questions geared to elicit negative responses from the unknowing masses.

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    Re: Wendy Murphy tries to sensationalize Peter Lenz death

    some cocksucker on the Indystar comments actually had the nuts to straight out blame the 12 yr old that struck Peter... said he should have had control of his bike so it was his fault that Peter died..

    that cunt is here in Boston!!! the news reporter says it at the end.. one things for sure, i DO NOT want that dried up bitch "advocating" for my childs rights.. snivly old coot!!! and that bitch needs to get a hair style.. i have voted, thenumbers are leaning on the yeses now.. i cant fucking believe that people are actually blaming the parents for this... thats LUDICROUS!!

    Peter died doing something he loved, something most people can only hope for..

    god bless his parents and may they have the strength to overcome this tragedy and let the world see the light that Peter truly was..

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    Re: Wendy Murphy tries to sensationalize Peter Lenz death

    Well this thread proves one fact is clear:

    Wendy Murphy = CUNT.

    That is all.

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    Re: Wendy Murphy tries to sensationalize Peter Lenz death

    Quote Originally Posted by bergs View Post
    One thing's for sure, I will ALWAYS support my child in what they want to do, especially regarding sports activities. If it's rock climbing, so be it. If it's chess, fine. If it's motorcycle racing, absolutely. As long as I can provide my child with an environment to flourish in so they can be the best at what they choose to do, I have done my part as a parent and supporting role model.

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    Re: Wendy Murphy tries to sensationalize Peter Lenz death

    Ok this lady is a fucktard. It's not child abuse.

    But.

    I think if you make the argument that kids racing is statisticly safer than swimming you don't understand statistics.
    The larger # of drownings than race deaths does not mean swimming is more dangerouse.

    Also understand kids do not come up to dad at 10 and say "I want to be a motogp rider."

    (Edited - did not want to further offend the sensitive souls here. I do not know them personally but I am not ignorant either, I have been watching this family come up thru the scene since 2004-2005.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyd View Post
    Dad's been pimpin him out like JonBenét Ramsey since he was 5.
    I think you should show some fucking respect.

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    I respect the families loss. No one should have to lose a child, I have 2 and it would kill me.
    If I thought anyone here had a connection beyond seeing them at a track day I would have held back.
    Maybe not the best way to say that kids do not have the "passion" to start racing (or much else) at 5, its the parents dream at that point. You only have to go to the local soccer field to see that, And if you don't agree your kidding your self.

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    Re: Wendy Murphy tries to sensationalize Peter Lenz death

    Quote Originally Posted by tonyd View Post
    I respect the families loss. No one should have to lose a child, I have 2 and it would kill me.
    If I thought anyone here had a connection beyond seeing them at a track day I would have held back.
    Maybe not the best way to say that kids do not have the "passion" to start racing (or much else) at 5, its the parents dream at that point. You only have to go to the local soccer field to see that, And if you don't agree your kidding your self.
    ...or you have your child start a sport they might like and it turns out they do like it and they are good at it so you give them the motivation that children sometimes need. There is a thin line that can be crossed very easily but to say that's the case here without any knowledge is, at the very least, ignorant and at the most going to piss a bunch of people off cause it's pretty far past callus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyd View Post
    Maybe not the best way to say that kids do not have the "passion" to start racing (or much else) at 5, its the parents dream at that point. You only have to go to the local soccer field to see that, And if you don't agree your kidding your self.
    I was all about soccer when I was 5, right up through middle school. Got bored when the games devolved to me and one other player running the games, picked it up again in High School when I discovered travel leagues. It all depends on the individual child, I know some kids that are scary bright at 5, and others who can't handle Duplo blocks at that age yet.

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    Re: Wendy Murphy tries to sensationalize Peter Lenz death

    My wife works with 30, 5 year old girls each year.
    Half of their parents say the kid is advanced for their age, the other half of the parents tell her about how passionate their kid is about the material. Rarely is there one that is either.
    Just our experience though.

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    I played soccer, baseball and skiied competitively since I could walk. Aside from skiing, which my parents did recreationally, they had no interest in sports. They enjoyed seeing me get out of the house, and being competitive and getting exercise. I think its natural for parents to "push" their interests on the kids in some way, because its what they enjoy and having kids generally doesnt stop that enjoyment. There then is a fine line between encouraging the kid to do something he likes, and forcing him to do something he doesnt like. Everything I know about Peter Lenz was that he was in the former.

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    I don't think tonyd meant any disrespect when he made that comment. Bad choice, but no real harm meant. Just remember, when the family google his name they will likely find this thread.

    I have a son just turned 3. He has an XR50 in the garage. He has glanced at it and asked whose it is. I tell him its his. He sits on it for a while then goes off to play with something else. Ill wait until he asks me if it can go before I proceed with teaching him to ride it. Right now his passion is swimming. He swims every day and can actually dive in and swim across the pool. None of the other kids in his swim class are even close to swimming that far or diving in so he is moving up 2 classes next week to the class where they dive off a board. I'm amazed as he turned 3 only last month. I'm wicked proud about that and if the xr gets no interest, that's fine with me and EXTRA fine with his mom. You have to let them find their own way and its easy to over-guide them. I hope my son rides, but it won't break my heart if he isn't into it.

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    Re: Wendy Murphy tries to sensationalize Peter Lenz death

    I think after a 13 year old dies on a motorcycle it is expected for society to ask if its an appropriate arena for kids of that age.

    If people weren't asking it would be a bigger problem.

    How they ask and how they may accuse without proper background is disturbing, but asking is perfectly reasonable IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manny
    I think after a 13 year old dies on a motorcycle it is expected for society to ask if its an appropriate arena for kids of that age.

    If people weren't asking it would be a bigger problem.

    How they ask and how they may accuse without proper background is disturbing, but asking is perfectly reasonable IMO.
    I agree 100%

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    Re: Wendy Murphy tries to sensationalize Peter Lenz death

    Quote Originally Posted by Manny View Post
    I think after a 13 year old dies on a motorcycle it is expected for society to ask if its an appropriate arena for kids of that age.

    If people weren't asking it would be a bigger problem.

    How they ask and how they may accuse without proper background is disturbing, but asking is perfectly reasonable IMO.
    Well said. Unfortunately in todays day in age every idiot gets to voice an opinion by "commenting" on every story run by a news website.

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    Re: Wendy Murphy tries to sensationalize Peter Lenz death

    I'm not going to dignify their vote but I did post this:


    I’m a former State Attorney next door to you and was a reporter for the Indianapolis Star of all ironies and I started riding motorcycles at 7 years of age, made it through just fine.

    You dodge the question about comparatives to downhill skiing when in point of fact this type of racing is statistically safer than those activities for critical injury.

    This accident is a tragic accident, but it does not give you the journalistic license to start condemning parents and bringing out Child Protective Services.

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    Re: Wendy Murphy tries to sensationalize Peter Lenz death

    If I quit all of the sports that I was ever severely injured doing, id be a pretty damn boring dude. Hell, I consider track riding to be one of the SAFER activities! I am extremely glad that my parents LET me chose my own way growing up. Keeping your kids out of drugs or gangs is one thing, limiting your kids sporting activities because you worry for the worst is counterproductive and frankly, cruel.

    This isnt anyones fault. A bad thing happened. They do that sometimes. I feel for the kid's family.

    The dude was awesome for years. He may have only lived 13 years, but recognize that in those 13 years he likely LIVED more than most people ever will in our society. I worry for this nation of namby-pamby morons that we are raising.

    When your kid fails at school but you demand that he still is a "genius", you need help even more than they do. Bah. If we keep sugarcoating life, reality suffers.

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    Re: Wendy Murphy tries to sensationalize Peter Lenz death

    Try a search on "cheerleader injuries" ...

    For example:

    "For high school girls and college women, cheerleading is far more dangerous than any other sport, according to a new report that adds several previously unreported cases of serious injuries to a growing list.

    High school cheerleading accounted for 65.1 percent of all catastrophic sports injuries among high school females over the past 25 years, according to an annual report released Monday by the National Center for Catastrophic Sports Injury Research."

    Helmet law needed?

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