Yamaha Dealer Price Sheet

[BLaZNKrON]

Take a peek @ this and the mark up on these toys we love. Don't let em tell ya they won't make any money buy cutting the msrp for ya.

[Bowflex]

This would have been helpful yesterday >.<

[MattyC]

This would have been helpful yesterday >.<

No shit. I just bought a wr250r.

[snowborder]

Jeeze based on those markups..... no wonder most dealers have a hard time. In the sporting goods business, stores work on at least 100% markup.. This is like 20%!

Dont forget they have overhead such as labor, insurance, rent (mortgage), utilities, advertising, inventory costs, interest etc.

[R1]

I for one am glad and at the same time really pissed that you just posted this.

I got ripped off!

[BLaZNKrON]

Dont forget they have overhead such as labor, insurance, rent (mortgage), utilities, advertising, inventory costs, interest etc.

I am not forgetting that. Just showing something I came across. People have access to dealer invoices for cars but motorcycles invoices are hard to come by. With the knowledge of auto invoices people have alot more bargaining power and if they are smart can walk away feeling they haven't been taken advantage of.

Dealers can make up for the loss in parts and service. What I do for work can compare to what a dealership does. I provide parts @ a marked up price which I can play around with to get the customer to take the bait. Where I get him is installing or maintaining the said product.

[R7]

I've bought my fair share of Yamaha's over the past 15 years and I always figured MSRP out the door was a fair price with all taxes, registration fees and title fees included. Buying an R1 in Rhode Island that would be about $850 off MSRP price.
Buying a 1 year old bike used and in the fall is what I'll be doing from now on

[duey]

Dealers can make up for the loss in parts and service. What I do for work can compare to what a dealership does. I provide parts @ a marked up price which I can play around with to get the customer to take the bait. Where I get him is installing or maintaining the said product.

Doesn't help that people buy stuff online, and do their own work. Factor in all the overhead costs and there isn't much to work with as you would like to think.

[OreoGaborio]

Buying a 1 year old bike used and in the fall is what I'll be doing from now on

HELLLLLSSSSS YEAH! I've never once bought a brand new vehicle. Nor do I ever see myself doing so any time soon!

[Kurlon]

You've also got to factor in the interest the dealer is paying on the credit line that allowed them to get the bikes on the floor in the first place... the longer that bike has sat, the more they have to get out of it to turn any profit.

[Sheppo]

for the record that delivery price is wrong too, it's gone up with the price of gas.

[garath]

That's not really a huge margin for things that only sell well a few months out of the year.

I'm with R7, if I can walk out the door paying MSRP out of pocket I think I'd be happy.

Granted I've never bought any vehicle new but the thought has crossed my mind this year.

[GixerJockey]

Bear in mind... There is no "back end" money in these things either. Not like the car business, where there is big $ that is not included in the invoice.

And like someone else mentioned. The dealer is paying interest (to the tune of about $160 a month, on average, per bike) to keep the unit in stock.


This business is fun! It has to be, because no one is getting rich...

[GixerJockey]

That's not really a huge margin for things that only sell well a few months out of the year.

I'm with R7, if I can walk out the door paying MSRP out of pocket I think I'd be happy.

Granted I've never bought any vehicle new but the thought has crossed my mind this year.

MSRP... out the door is a very good deal on a new motorcycle. That is the point where most dealers will negotiate to. any less than that and most dealers will let the customer walk. It's just not worth it to do all the work involved for any less than that.

[eboos]

Customer's attitude has a lot to do with negotiating ability. I don't know why some people think that they can get a better deal by acting like a jerk, because we often wouldn't want them back if they were.

Customers who will be back in the store often to buy parts, clothes and do service are a lot more valued then the guy who is going all over new england to get "the best deal".

[beet]

I've always made good deals buying bikes..............

[TIMMYDUCK]

On an 08 ZZR 600 I just paid 6800 OTD is that good on a 7299 MSRP ?

[beet]

On an 08 ZZR 600 I just paid 6800 OTD is that good on a 7299 MSRP ?

Why pay list.

[GixerJockey]

Customer's attitude has a lot to do with negotiating ability. I don't know why some people think that they can get a better deal by acting like a jerk, because we often wouldn't want them back if they were.

Customers who will be back in the store often to buy parts, clothes and do service are a lot more valued then the guy who is going all over new england to get "the best deal".

:iws:

I couldn't agree more. I'm much more likely to continue the negoation conversation with a pleasant person.

The jerks likely get bounced...

[Bowflex]

On an 08 ZZR 600 I just paid 6800 OTD is that good on a 7299 MSRP ?

That's about what I paid, then add in the tax at the registry and it came up to just below MSRP. I miss my ZZR

[SSearchVT]

That price list only shows part of the story - but gives a good starting point. The dealer has the additional expenses of floorplan and other operating expenses. BUT - they also have the incentives given to them by the manufacturer. For example - if they buy 5 FJR's - they get 2 YZ250f's for free, or if they are a dealer that moves a lot of bikes the delivery expense is waived...

As far as negotiating goes - a positive attitude goes a long way. Thats not to say be a pushover. It also helps to buy off season. Car dealers up here are anxious to get sports coupes off there lot in October, and motorcycle dealers would rather pay their mechanics to prep a bike for sale then storage...

[Sheppo]

:iws:

I couldn't agree more. I'm much more likely to continue the negoation conversation with a pleasant person.

The jerks likely get bounced...

EXACTLY... I have shown more than one customer the door.

[TIMMYDUCK]

That's about what I paid, then add in the tax at the registry and it came up to just below MSRP. I miss my ZZR

That 6800 was with reg ,title, and tax.

We did have a 3200 tax credit and valid plate to throw on it though.

So it was really a 6489.13 purchase price.

Plus even at those #'s ,we still paid one of his employees salary for the week and that's fair both ways in my humble opinion.

[BLaZNKrON]

I refuse to pay MSRP for any type of vehicle. I remember when my buddy was getting ready to buy a bike. He sat down with the dealer and the guy was trying to bend my buddy over hard and I opened my mouth and spoke up for him so he didn't take it in the ass. The dealer basically told me to shut my mouth saying "what don't you want your friend to get a bike, why don't you leave my office", I told him "I want him to get a bike but I also don't want him getting raped by you guys, and I will do you one better dude. I told my boy wrap it up where going to another dealership. The dealer started calling me an asshole, blah blah blah, next thing ya know the minute we put our hands on the door to leave, he dropped his price $1000 and threw in a free helmet.

[SSearchVT]

I refuse to pay MSRP for any type of vehicle. I remember when my buddy was getting ready to buy a bike. He sat down with the dealer and the guy was trying to bend my buddy over hard and I opened my mouth and spoke up for him so he didn't take it in the ass. The dealer basically told me to shut my mouth saying "what don't you want your friend to get a bike, why don't you leave my office", I told him "I want him to get a bike but I also don't want him getting raped by you guys, and I will do you one better dude. I told my boy wrap it up where going to another dealership. The dealer started calling me an asshole, blah blah blah, next thing ya know the minute we put our hands on the door to leave, he dropped his price $1000 and threw in a free helmet.

As soon as you realize it's a game, and it has rules you're going to have a lot more fun with it. These are the tricks my family taught me for buying cars. At all times be respectfull, polite, and mature... Over the years they have saved me thousands. Most have worked well for buying bikes too...

- Do your research. Know about the car, and about any incentives. Keep an eye on the calandar. The end of the month is when bills need to be paid, and salesfolks want their comission checks to be high - start shopping in the middle of the month.

- Buy off season. For example - I bought a used Eagle Talon TSI in Rochester, NY in January. They were asking $14,995+ - I walked out with all fees for $10,300...

- Walk in approved for a loan - if you're not paying cash. Let the salesperson know the rate and term you have. Offer them the option of beating it.

- Show up dressed for the occasion. Snow storms or rain are the best. Remember gloves, a hat, and good warm shoes. Make the salesperson come outside in their dress shoes. Walk laps around the car talking in a normal voice asking questions. When they stop following - stop and stare at them until they walk over to you. Turn down the first few offers to go into the warm office and talk - say you're fine.

- After you go into the office - if at anytime you don't like the way the deal is going - get up, thank them for their time, and walk for the door. If you're dealing with realistic numbers for the car - you'll never even get your hand on the knob.

- Everytime they have to go talk to their manager about anything - get up and go back out onto the lot. Make them come get you - they'll get tired of this quick.

- Never buy it on the first visit. Work the best deal, get them excited, and then say "Well, you've given me something to think about. I'll let you know."