Turn 1a

[Danz19899]

Alright i don't even race but this thread needs to be created. are 16 bikes down in 1a this weekend alone enough for people to realize that damn line is in the WRONG FUCKIN PLACE. when 9 experts go down in same corner . . . . there something wrong. oh ya just realized sunday races still have to run . . . so that number unfortunately could go up. cold track or not that many issues in the same corner . . . .

rant over what are others thoughts?

LRRS quit being stubborn that line sucks

[union]

I doubt it the paint. I didnt have an issue with it yet. The curprit is the 40 degree temps. The dark pavement is a lot slicker then the lighter pavement. Its really only an issue in 1a and the exit of 2 where we are getting on the gas.

[tls25rs]

Standing in the 1a bleachers with 5 of the faster expert racers at the track during race 1 yesterday listening to them discussing exactly this and a couple of the comments that were made were

The crashes are happening after the stripe not because of it

Looks like there might be a small bump or something else getting the bike unsettled on the turn in to the right in 1a

If you head down to the same bleachers and take a look you can see that most of the crashes are happening a good ways after the stripe from the skid marks. You can also watch the riders come through and notice some of the the bikes get unsettled around the time they turn in just before the stripe.

From my completely non expert eyes there does appear to be a patch of pavement just after the apex of 1a that looks to be wearing out but doesn't seem to have anything to do with the crashes. Maybe it does though, who knows!

[smf]

some should post a pic up of it for those of us that didn't wade through the legends cars to see.

[Eddie]

Numbers do not lie. If anybody has pics, please post them.

[Awesome]

When in Rome.

[daviid]

dont talk bad about the white line!

[Awesome]

Don't judge by the color of it's paint, but the content of it's character.

[scottieducati]

I'd hate to see the shit show if it was a non-white line.

But seriously, whether it's the line or not something has changed in 1A, you simply did not see *near* the sheer # of crashes there ever before.

[hondarider102]

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I don't see how you can say the line is not to blame. 16 crashed this weekend in the same corner and a handful more since it was put in last fall, before then 1a was a great corner

[lrrs313]

Just wondering, how many crashers were there in T3? The othe thing to keep in mind, T2 apex looked to be in a slightly different spot making 1a much more of a direction change than it has been in the past. Also, from all reports I was hearing, the entire track was VERY slippery yesterday. It was just damn cold.

[TTD]

They discussed it in the riders meeting and are addressing it.

[Doc]

I blame the Legends cars.

[butcher bergs]

some should post a pic up of it for those of us that didn't wade through the legends cars to see.

Not much to see. There's a white line in the middle of a turn on the road course. This line was fine 2 years ago and even last year but it looks to have been refreshed and, ironically enough, people are now crashing in that area.




As far as the bump that's unsettling the bikes, while that might play a part in the incidences, I highly doubt it is a major contributing factor since T3 is the most notable section that unsettles a bike's chassis and yet plenty of riders manage to make it thru there just fine.

While the cold definitely played a part in all this, that line in its current state is not helping anything one bit.

[Kitt]

... Maybe Danz can post about T3 sometime too.. I heard that one requires lean angle as well.

[SVRACER01]

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I blame doc

[Danz19899]

... Maybe Danz can post about T3 sometime too.. I heard that one requires lean angle as well.

hey T3 sucks we all know that. I'm a pre-novice and am slower then shit through T3-T4

i just feel like that many bikes down in one corner all of a sudden indicates something changed for the worse

[Chippertheripper]

I crashed in 1a before the line was even there. I don't need no stinking line.

[smf]

hey T3 sucks we all know that.

T3 is one of the best corners on the track. everyone is chickenshit through there (seriously. I love braking into there)

[hondarider102]

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hey T3 sucks we all know that.

T3 is one of the best corners on the track. everyone is chickenshit through there (seriously. I love braking into there)

I also love 3 and 4

[DocCola]

I to love 3 & 4, I never quite found my "fast" line into 3 from the chute but I LOVE cranking up 4.

[CBR929RE]

as one who went down on the line, it sucks. but its mostly a cold issue as it wasn't a problem today. I don't think anyone who went out in practice when it was raining even had an issue and I don't recall anything happening there after the sun came out and made it nice out.

Wood said in the riders meeting today that they are trying to do something about the line. So they are listening.

[tls25rs]

Yes the line was discussed in the riders meeting and they are going to try to find a different paint that will offer more traction before the next race weekend.

My previous post was just what I had heard and observed from the bleachers in 1a.

Joel

[Woodcraft]

I talked with the track both last October and this weekend about the line. Yes, the crashes happen after the line, but we feel that it is the line that gets things going. The push starts there and shows up 30 feet later. Just before Scotty G crashed, we had just got done having a discussion about how we both had almost crashed there the previous race riding at what we felt was a pretty conservative place. Brett Guyer, who rarely ever crashes (but fell Saturday in 1A), had the same feedback. I had about a 30-40 foot front end push that I felt lucky to have saved. The line is really not a problem when it is warm outside...but below 50, it's not great. I stopped giving the bike input over that line for the rest of the weekend.....which cost me time, but my bike is still shiny.

Tom Blanchette has acknowledged the problem and has promised that he will make a change before the next event. He burned the paint into the asphalt Sunday morning and made it a little beter. The placement of that line was literally dictated to him by SMI, so he has to work around that. There are a couple different solutions being discussed and I think that any of them will work. I would expect this to be a non issue by next event.

[Gecko]

I had about a 30-40 foot front end push that I felt lucky to have saved.

I watched that save; damn impressive, sir.

Since I left before the riders meeting on Sunday, what became of the sealant snakes they had put down in T9?
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