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If you're in 6th at loudon it's because you are on a dyno somewhere in the paddocks.
all I can remember from listenign to you down @ VIR is thast you were bouncing the limiter coming down thru 17 and down the front straight on every lap.
you really should throw that tach in the garbage. be the Bike Noel see the bike Noel, Noel ... B - B - be the bike.
+1 Cerberus
I go with 16 - 46 on the Hawk and love the added punch when I'm coming out of the slower turns ( but then again ... they are only slow turns because I am slow)
Last edited by The Crashing Tomato; 04-01-09 at 10:56 AM.
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Originally Posted by hammadown .....The rule is:
If even Zip Tie Alley says, "no you shouldn't use a zip tie on that" you REALLLLLLY shouldn't use a zip tie on that! lol
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i respectfully disagree.
maybe its more of a combination of thought and trial/error
but unlike suspension set up which can be dialed to a rider's taste and evolve over time, gearing should always be set up to allow maximum acceleration without sacrificing the top speed (in my opinion).
Get out while you can
Find your own path
Tricky thing with gearing for different tracks. You don't want to be in between gears. Or you don't want to be at a point where you need to upshift, only to downshift half a second later. The less time you spend shifting, the more time you are on the gas and accelerating. It may only be a fraction of a second, but that's racing.
Nope. not always.
As start getting faster, the location of your shift points starts changing & sometimes shift point location becomes your #1 priority. Thus, the only way to know what gearing YOU should be using is to get out there and actually use it. We can give you an estimate, but it may not work to your full advantage.
Extreme example: Jeff Wood did the 1:17 on an EX500 that was geared so tall that it only used 5 gears, not 6.
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-Pete LRRS/CCS #81 - ECK Racing, TonysTrackDays
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Stock gearing has been tested by thousands of SV racers at loudon. Maximum acceleration usally is at the cost of traction. What good is a lower gearing if it keeps you from opening the throttle early as you can. Because of reduced traction.
I have a couple hundred Laps at pace laps around loudon on an Sv. and this is my expeirence.
Zip Tie Alley Racing #444
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FWIW, I THINK I'm geared at 16/47 (.3404) vs the stock 15/44 (.3409) which is barely a hair shorter, just w/ larger radius sprockets... but I'm not positive. I gotta double check that.
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i would think that the fraction of a second that the extra shifts cost would be more than made up by the improved acceleration, balancing the cost in time against the benefit. dunno.. just a thought
ok, i can see the shift location being a consideration to gearing choice..
but the jeff wood example is extremely extreme.. i mean fast is fast, pretty much no matter what.. he'd probably beat me around loudon if he was on a pit bike..
traction is always an issue, granted. but if you dialed in the gearing, the improved acceleration will be throughout the total speed range, not just at hard lean or exiting a turn where spinning up the rear is most likely (i would imagine), so i would think that the benefit would out weigh the need to modulate the throttle input..
**but to be clear, i'm not trying to say i'm right. i'm sharing opinion and learning where my opinions may be off base due to be theoretically based versus practical application
Get out while you can
Find your own path
Maybe But what we are trying to do is Get a novice ready for his for his first race. Not win the Daytona 200 (stock gearing works good there too).
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thats debatable. the thing to keep in mind with acceleration is how soon you can actually use that improved acceleration. too much acceleration and for most of us you will be taking away speed because we are going to wait longer to roll on with authority for fear of being spit off the bike.
lets use t3 as an example. what is going to be faster?
a) 15/44 crack the throttle on at the pavement seams, aggresivley roll on so you are at full throttle right after you hit the transition
b) 15/50 crack the throttle at the seams, but because the bike is going to pull so much stronger, you can't get it wide open until you are past t4
*** and on a side note, stock is going to be fine your first season
edit: and when you really think about it, option A is going to be safest. you are on the gas, increasing your ground clearance and able to stand the bike up sooner
Last edited by BMFR6; 04-01-09 at 12:00 PM.
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When is the last time you have seen an SV highside and spit someone off?? It's like riding a dirtbike it doesn't have enough balls to spin the rear up, unless it's on ice or a wet line.
KB
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I will be fun to watch crash..............
and for the record if you watch doucet come down the front straight he hits 6th for about 2 seconds and then down shifts into one, I don't think he uses the brakes either.
KB
Last edited by brady; 04-01-09 at 12:41 PM. Reason: to edit
'02 SV650 street|woods|race LRRS #128
You don't really gear for the straight, you gear for the corners. Turns 3,6,and 12 at Loudon require huge drive to get good laptimes. You need to maximize entry speed AND drive out. That is the tricky part. If you gear low, you can't go in fast enough, gear high and you cant get out fast enough.
If you gear to top out at the end of the front straight, you might not be anywhere near where you need to be for 3,6,and 12.
I don't ride an SV, but I hear stock works well...
The Crash Judges of T3 gave me scores of 9.5, 9.1, 9.5, 9.5 following a late braking incident. KB try and beat that.
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Originally Posted by hammadown .....The rule is:
If even Zip Tie Alley says, "no you shouldn't use a zip tie on that" you REALLLLLLY shouldn't use a zip tie on that! lol
Sounds to me like you were drag limited. Happened to me on the 125 down there as well. I managed 12.5K in 6th and that was simply that. For kicks, I should have sat up a few times to see how much it slowed me down. Everywhere else it would rev as high as I'd dare. try tucking harder. It amazes me how much variation there is in straight line body position amongst riders, even racers on 600s at VIR were sitting like they were on a cruiser! On a track like VIR I believe it really can make a difference.
Neal Mulcahy
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Well I wasn't behind for long now was I? I finished the race, did you?
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and it made for some awesome freakin pictures!
(you don't know how relieved I was that 1 - it pitched you into the grass so you didn't get run over & 2 - you were up on your feet the next time I came around.... I was damn worried bout ya for a lap after seeing that.)
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-Pete LRRS/CCS #81 - ECK Racing, TonysTrackDays
GMD Computrack Boston | Pine Motorparts/PBE Specialists | Phoenix Graphics | Woodcraft | MTag-Pirelli | OnTrack Media
The Garage: '03 Tuono | '06 SV650