AM - EX bump

[Chippertheripper]

Odd that motards have to meet LW threshold when they run in Ultralightweight races

Just sam has to meet those requirements.

Are ams winning motard or ss with 21's?

[maxim_X]

Lwss yeah 21's lately with an odd 20. Am motard fast times are 22/23.

[Chippertheripper]

I meant super singles. Is that even a class anymore?

[maxim_X]

Yeah. It's the same riders as motard.

[Kurlon]

Odd that motards have to meet LW threshold when they run in Ultralightweight races

Yeah, that doesn't make any sense at all. If that's the case, get them OUT of ULSB.

[Mr. Kurtz]

While I have the times, in at least 5 races and over 2 rounds... I'm almost leaning towards staying in AM to work on race craft and lines.

That requirement has been removed.

I do intend to take the bump. Not sure if I have to petition or wait? I've been knocking off 21's since the classic so number of races at the threshold is not a concern.

Brian brings up a good point about license renewal, so i think i'll be emailing Brenda.

[tsorfas]

So I can't find a single LW machine that went as fast as Shane on a motard (15.5) THIS year...

[isaac_]

That requirement has been removed.

??

Am I not reading this right?

5.5.2.3 Any Amateur who runs times that meet or better 110% of the fastest time (lap record) in a minimum of 5 races over a minimum of two (2) race weekends in the corresponding Expert class may petition for early advancement. Any Amateur who can consistently run times within 110% of the fastest time (lap record) set in the corresponding Expert class may petition for early advancement.

http://www.nhms.com/documents/2015_lrrs_rulebook.pdf

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[Pittenger5]

Jesus, 21s to bump on a tard? I podiumed with 22s before I hung it up.

[Yknot]

I talked to Graham this weekend about it. A motard is considered lw not ultralight. He said, no 21s, no bump. I personally feel ready mentally and I'm on the threshold for times, but apparently I need 21s.

I call bullshit. No motard is competing in the LW class unless it is Sportsman. Maybe that is what he meant? The race typically has 1 - 3 entries and I haven't seen to many motards in LWSS recently. Regardless, Shane set the record in a Motard race which you are riding so I say 21's doesn't work with the math. So submit the paperwork, check the box and then badger them for the ruling. 21's would mean a lap time of 1:14 on a motard which is ludicrous....right now anyway.

I personally don't believe that the times should be a hard line in the sand. Times, finishes, safety record and observed racecraft should all be taken into consideration. I would rather race with a person who is consistent but a bit slower than a reckless faster one. Predictability when the sh$& goes down is key. Times range in the expert class predominately in the 18 - 23 range in good conditions. So an amateur would be expected to bump and be mid pack in an expert race? Put EX on the form if you want and see what happens.

[Yknot]

You're the expert here, but you sure about that? I get the 110% thing, but it's just weird that an UL bump time isn't listed in the rulebook...maybe an unintentional omission?

One thing I've been unclear about, if it were, say, 1:22, does that mean your lap times have to be below 1:22.0 or does it mean they need to be 1:22.X? Because when somebody runs a 1:19.9, they're going to say "I was running 19's"... I'm sure this has been asked before....

Expert in plate color only...

Not sure about the omission or the reasoning, definitely should be listed. My interpretation of the rules is based on the language that is in the rulebook. Why they wouldn't just list a time is beyond me, they put the disclaimer that if you ride like an idiot, they can refuse your request. That seems like it would be enough flexibility that they wouldn't need to make the time requirements vague as well.

I would say your statement is correct, consistent times in the 1:22.X would mean a 1:22 threshold would be met. Again, the interpretation of these rules can vary depending on the reader with the way they are written. I believe Graham is the man to ask, and bring a bottle of his favorite libation, it could help bolster your position.

[Mr. Kurtz]

??

Am I not reading this right?



http://www.nhms.com/documents/2015_lrrs_rulebook.pdf

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You are, but it won't be required going forward.

[Ductard]

I call bullshit.... So an amateur would be expected to bump and be mid pack in an expert race? Put EX on the form if you want and see what happens.

I don't disagree with anything you're saying, but they sort of hold the trump card with the "officials reserve the right to deny for any reason" thing. I wouldn't say it's pointless to try to appeal your case, but I certainly would do it as un-passive aggressively as possible - you attract more bees with honey...

I didn't go through every race of every round, but my suspicion is that none of the amateur 'tards met the 1:21 bump threshold for a LW. I would say I've seen Kevin A. at the top of the podium more than others, maybe Lee S. after that. I know SDog and Maxim have beat those guys at times and I believe I have once or twice, although I never managed better than 3rd.

...I just checked some of the results for R7...there was ONE entry in Expert LW Sportsman. One.

Anyways, Like I said, I'm not agitating for a bump unless I can sort out my Unlimited bike (likely to be the nut connecting the handlebars to the seat), but sure wouldn't mind if 3-4 other guys bumped

[Imbeek]

You are, but it won't be required going forward.

Yeah, you sandbagger Isaac

[Mr. Kurtz]

Yeah, you sandbagger Isaac

Ha! Definitely not what I'm implying. I understand completely isaac's process.

There is nothing wrong with sticking AM for a bit, learning more, getting faster, and winning some shit, before you bump. Sure, it can be done to excess, and sure, some people would rather advance as fast as possible to Expert, but to each their own.

Not everyone can be a Kris Hopkins and take home Expert trophies on their second weekend; take wins while you can!

[Petorius]

Not everyone can be a Kris Hopkins and take home Expert trophies on their second weekend; take wins while you can!

Looking forward to Kris's EX - MotoGP bump. Probably around June 2016.

[cdovego]

I think MotoGP already called Dave Hemstreet. 16's with all those points and an EX bump in his rookie year - you might not have heard.

Between Cole, Kris and Dave - there was some supremely talented rookies learning their way around Loudon.

[Imbeek]

Ha! Definitely not what I'm implying. I understand completely isaac's process.

There is nothing wrong with sticking AM for a bit, learning more, getting faster, and winning some shit, before you bump. Sure, it can be done to excess, and sure, some people would rather advance as fast as possible to Expert, but to each their own.

Not everyone can be a Kris Hopkins and take home Expert trophies on their second weekend; take wins while you can!

Never meant to imply you were implying! I'm not implying that he's a sandbagger either; I'm clearly stating that in my personal not so disinterested view, he isn't one now, but...

[Mr. Kurtz]

Never meant to imply you were implying! I'm not implying that he's a sandbagger either; I'm clearly stating that in my personal not so disinterested view, he isn't one now, but...

You just want him out of the way so you can come back and clean up!

[Mr. Kurtz]

Looking forward to Kris's EX - MotoGP bump. Probably around June 2016.

He's showing no sign of "slowing down" his progress, either. I predict we'll be seeing him on stage at the 2016 banquet. He's almost impossibly modest about it, too.

[GingahNinjah]

He's showing no sign of "slowing down" his progress, either. I predict we'll be seeing him on stage at the 2016 banquet. He's almost impossibly modest about it, too.

If Hopkins isnt ROTY we riot!! lol

[Schramm]

Don't you mean "accidents"? Lol

Lowsides fall under "tire feedback", don't they?

[Mustang]

I would rather race with a person who is consistent but a bit slower than a reckless faster one.

Amen brother.

[cdovego]

Jesus, 21s to bump on a tard? I podiumed with 22s before I hung it up.

It takes teens to podium. 20's will get you 4th all day, boo.

[GixerJockey]

I would rather race with a person who is consistent but a bit slower than a reckless faster one.

Due to your motorcycle choice... you still have that luxury...

Amen brother.

You, my friend, do not.