ATTENTION IN THE HADDOCK! - 2009 Rulebook Posted

[Kurlon]

When does the so-called fax race start for the first weekend? Or when does pre-reg open, or whatever it's called?

No more fax race this year. The initial grid will be based on last year's total points, each weekend after that will grid by this year's total points. Pre-reg or reg that weekend, you grid the same.

[Johnny B]

Engine Ice definitely verbotten.

I can't seem to nail them down on approved additives, I tried getting them to go with the four WERA approved brands that has neither Glycol in them.
Definitely Water Wetter is allowed, I think Maxima Cool Aide is also allowed.
I'll email Micky and Perkins for an answer.

[Johnny B]

No more fax race this year. The initial grid will be based on last year's total points, each weekend after that will grid by this year's total points. Pre-reg or reg that weekend, you grid the same.

And still waiting on NHMS (not LRRS) to come up with the entry form that they're revising.

[Johnny B]

Johnny,

Can you explain why the new class MW production twins ( stock SV650 ) has been added in the same race as LW supersport (sunday race 10)?
seems like that would split the group not add another race.

I have no idea.
Drawing up a schedule that satisfies everyone is always a big can of worms. I don't envy Don.
One year Rider Rep Micky Curry took a stab at it and spent a considerable amout of time revising it to something he thought would work. Didn't happen, his schedule just upset a different group of people.

[Johnny B]

On a side note: In addition to opening up the class for the newer EX500's, the USCRA has come up with something that you can run XR100's in. I'll post a link to the USCRA rulebook as soon as Smolenski puts it up.

[Johnny B]

I just got the reply from Bob Perkins:
Red Line Water Wetter and Maxima Cool Aide are allowed.

[nt650hawk]

Sooo... if I found a pre-99 748 It'd be on, like Donkey Kong?

Nice try...

This is why it used to be only limited to 700cc. Why did they have to go around and mess withthe old description.

[seth399]

I just got the reply from Bob Perkins:
Red Line Water Wetter and Maxima Cool Aide are allowed.

thanks, I appreciate it!

[Awesome]

I have no idea.
Drawing up a schedule that satisfies everyone is always a big can of worms. I don't envy Don.
One year Rider Rep Micky Curry took a stab at it and spent a considerable amout of time revising it to something he thought would work. Didn't happen, his schedule just upset a different group of people.

No matter what, someone is going to bitch. Best solution, make the schedule so MY races are when I want them.

[Awesome]

Nice try...

This is why it used to be only limited to 700cc. Why did they have to go around and mess withthe old description.

There will constantly be people trying to exploit and change the rules to give themselves an equipment advantage, at least some of us know that that's not what racing is about.

[BLACK SQUIRREL]

There will constantly be people trying to exploit and change the rules to give themselves an equipment advantage, at least some of us know that that's not what racing is about.

+1 A faster More tricked out bike often results in lower laptimes

[seth399]

+1 A faster More tricked out bike often results in lower laptimes

my crf goes in the shop monday to get a Harley motor thrown in

[Kurlon]

There will constantly be people trying to exploit and change the rules to give themselves an equipment advantage, at least some of us know that that's not what racing is about.

Heh, if you think that's trying to exploit the rules, you haven't seen my other plan... : )

[Pittenger5]

my crf goes in the shop monday to get a Harley motor thrown in

I put a pipe and power commander in my EX, 200 horses EASY.

["Dangerous" Dan K]

I put a pipe and power commander in my EX, 200 horses EASY.

Nah bro, I got the same setup and my boy wit da dyno told me it was 225 all day, didn't even have to throw it on there to see. Don't want to wear out the power commander doin pointless dyno runs, since we already know it's 225 easy. word.

[Kurlon]

You guys both have it wrong, a Buell Blast with an inverse megaphone pipe and Bazzaz ECU is the hot setup. 300hp, 500ft/lbs of torque, killer chassis, ZTL brake AND traction control to keep it all in check.

[Johnny B]

No matter what, someone is going to bitch. Best solution, make the schedule so MY races are when I want them.

My rule-of-thumb is that if you don't change things, people bitch. If you do change things, people bitch.

Not changing things is a lot less work!

[CEO]

Red Line Water Wetter and Maxima Cool Aide are allowed.

What about Mocool? It's the motul equivalent of water wetter. Same stuff, non-glycol, simple water additive.

[Kitt]

What about Mocool? It's the motul equivalent of water wetter. Same stuff, non-glycol, simple water additive.

what color is it? that's all they're looking at. i'm not saying put anything in the bike that will be a safety hazard, but if it's the same chemical composition...

It's easy enough to go get water wetter... it's cheap and lasts forever.

[CEO]

what color is it? that's all they're looking at. i'm not saying put anything in the bike that will be a safety hazard, but if it's the same chemical composition...

It's easy enough to go get water wetter... it's cheap and lasts forever.

It made the distilled water that I added it to turn a very light pink. I went out with the intention of buying water wetter, but when I got to motomarket all they had was mocool. I was told it is essentially the same and it is listed as race approved on the bottle.

I'd rather not purge and refill the system again unnecessarily, I've got enough other work to do on the bike that I'm not sure I'll have time for...

[Pittenger5]

Water wetter is pink too.

[seth399]

just for future reference as well, they have 12oz bottles of water wetter at advance auto

[Kitt]

I'd rather not purge and refill the system again unnecessarily, I've got enough other work to do on the bike that I'm not sure I'll have time for...

I hear ya...

Water wetter is pink too.

so, yea... color is the same = tech is happy

chemicals are the same & safe for us (not that you'll be crashing or leaking) = we're happy


don't see a need to flush = you're happy

putting a $0.09 label on a $5.99 bottle of water wetter and charging you $15.99 = motomarket is happy

everything checks out

[Johnny B]

.....and it is listed as race approved on the bottle.

That doesn't mean squat. Evans Engine Ice is approved for CCS. They were (Maybe still are) even a series sponsor for CCS. We do not allow it.
Check the bottle. If you see the word "glycol" anywhere on it, get rid of it.