Dangerous line?

[duey]

Nice approach to turn 3 by the Streetfighter. Never noticed that before despite seeing this video several times.

The golden rule of smooth and predictable was broken several times in that short piece of video. Sorry for both riders in the video. I'd love to know who the guy was that was passing and collided. He took off very quickly and I never got to talk to him.

Yeah that guy Kevin scared him away by pestering him for his insurance paperwork and threatened (or did?) to call the cops.

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[Degsy]

Yep. Kevin insisted we give him the guy's info and/or not let him go. Of course, we can't do any of that, it would be illegal.

I didn't see the video until a few days later and Scottie and I both were of the opinion that it was in no way the passing rider's fault and we expressed that view to Kevin and to his credit he took the criticism on board and I think he understood our point.

Classic unexpected "swoop"

derek

[Manny]

Yep. Kevin insisted we give him the guy's info and/or not let him go. Of course, we can't do any of that, it would be illegal.

I didn't see the video until a few days later and Scottie and I both were of the opinion that it was in no way the passing rider's fault and we expressed that view to Kevin and to his credit he took the criticism on board and I think he understood our point.

Classic unexpected "swoop"

derek

I was curious about this incident for a while (I was a CR that day and was cresting the hill as the streetfighter went down) just never added up that the R6 just banged into him from behind. Speeds were such that it just seemed too unlikely and this explains a lot.

[nt650hawk]

turn one.

Ever watch a Vintage racer? a number of them pretty much go to the cones by the air fences and then turn in. I've seen a handfull do that. Crazy to us seeing we have been somewhat told this is the Fast and safest line. To them it seems like they have been told to go out to the cones then turn in.

[CBR929RE]

turn one.

Ever watch a Vintage racer? a number of them pretty much go to the cones by the air fences and then turn in. I've seen a handfull do that. Crazy to us seeing we have been somewhat told this is the Fast and safest line. To them it seems like they have been told to go out to the cones then turn in.

cars also do it that way. the instructor I rode with explained its because 1a (they call it 2 or 2a) is a throw away corner. basically get in as hot as you can cause there's no drive out of it before going left again.

[tsanterre]

Just got home and watched the video... wow, that is ridiculous.

We should put this up next to a video showing how to properly do it and let Penguin use it in their school.

I would have to say this is definitely a 1-off. Thanks for the reminder to all - and never become lazy on the track.

[Degsy]

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Just got home and watched the video... wow, that is ridiculous.

We should put this up next to a video showing how to properly do it and let Penguin use it in their school.

I would have to say this is definitely a 1-off. Thanks for the reminder to all - and never become lazy on the track.

Lol it's a good how not to. That's for sure. Still willing to bet you were aware that no one was behind you.

[Paul_E_D]

cars also do it that way. the instructor I rode with explained its because 1a (they call it 2 or 2a) is a throw away corner. basically get in as hot as you can cause there's no drive out of it before going left again.

That's the exact argument for the tight entry. On bikes anyway, you can hold the throttle open much longer on the tight approach. I can see in a car you wouldn't have the penalty that bikes pay out wide, which is the need to brake longer leaned over and a bigger bump.

[tsanterre]

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Lol it's a good how not to. That's for sure. Still willing to bet you were aware that no one was behind you.

Yea - I would put money on that too, but hard to say not remembering the exact session. There is just no way I would be comfortable doing that unless seeing clear track behind me.

In any case - good reminder.

[SVRACER01]

in all honesty, pitting is no different then riding the racing line. a lot of times i will go into 11 at speed and instead of flicking right for 11a/12 i just go straight into the pits.

[OreoGaborio]

in all honesty, pitting is no different then riding the racing line. a lot of times i will go into 11 at speed and instead of flicking right for 11a/12 i just go straight into the pits.

Well... as long as you can signal and still maintain pace all the way in...............

That's not how I do it, but so long as it's safe & predictable in the eyes of the person behind ya and you're not in their way, cuz that's who really counts.

[Degsy]

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I slow way the hell down and even hug the little left kink before 11.

[SVRACER01]

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I slow way the hell down and even hug the little left kink before 11.

i do that if im know theres people behind me or even in front of me. i generally only pull the ole full bore pit out if im alone. i still signal in 9 and out of 10.

[a13x]

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I slow way the hell down and even hug the little left kink before 11.

+1

Not something to fuck around with.

[csmutty]

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I slow way the hell down and even hug the little left kink before 11.

Me too.

[OreoGaborio]

Boom. My normal line vs my pit-in line.
I accelerate and decelerate as I normally do and where I normally would, just not as intense. Maybe 80% throttle and 80% brakes. Everything else is the same.
And at the very least, I'm hand up exiting 10 over the transitions and again entering 11 by the first cone on the left.

[CBR929RE]

Boom. My normal line vs my pit-in line.
I accelerate and decelerate as I normally do and where I normally would, just not as intense. Maybe 80% throttle and 80% brakes. Everything else is the same.
And at the very least, I'm hand up exiting 10 over the transitions and again entering 11 by the first cone on the left.

same line I use. usually I'll keep my hand up from just after the transition out of 10 all the way till the point of no return where if you tried to make 12 you'd just go over grass. before 11 I might look behind me and put my hand down if there's no one there but I'll put it back again after the apex of 11 just to be sure anyone coming ripping through knows I'm getting off.

[WinVT]

Nice job tyler!! And here I was thinking I was the reckless one!!

I will vouch for tyler and say after much practice, he is now an expert pitter outter!

[Degsy]

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Yep, but that was a pit in. Lol.

[WinVT]

Oh I know, his pit in is still terrible.

[tsanterre]

Oh I know, his pit in is still terrible.

Wish I had a video of your line in T3.... ha!

[KB]

Getting to the party late. Most important thing is education. As long as you know it's wrong and don't do it again. OK folks lives are at stake!

KB