Eject System

[zx1012r]

Sorry to get offensive if I have. I can't find the article in the New England Journal Of Medicine that definitively states this is a safer way to remove your helmet to reduce strain on the neck. It makes sense to me though. The only time I could see this being bad is if you had a hole in your skull on the top that this would put pressure on while removing your helmet.

I can only assume the really large professional racing orgs ie. Nascar, NHRA, Motocross etc have researched this (just like I assume they do with other safety items such as 5 point harnesses, Leatt (sp) device, etc.) and agree that it is a safer alternative. I don't understand why it would take a roadracing org to approve it to make it ok with some of you. Neck, spinal injuries are neck spinal injuries whether your helmet is on during dirt racing, car racing, road racing, skydiving, competitive jello wrestling, etc. I can see some resistance to a new thing but "dead set against" something means you would pretty much rather just die than try this.

My helmets fit damn tight. But they seem to cradle my head around the top and sides, and leave some room on the very top. Easily a half inch between the top of my head and the FOAM, obviously not the padding all the way around. I have always wore Arai so I don't know if other helmets are like this. I know how to size my helmet.

I understand the passion around change. Every year it is something different. Costs went up with transponders and infield fees. But they used to require AMA membership which cost money and they don't anymore. They wave the $25.00 infield fee if you register for 3 races. They seem to be trying to offset some costs. I'm sure when they mandated wearing leathers decades ago some people fought it. But this seems like a genuine attempt at additional safety and not some big conspiracy to make a bazillion bucks and prove the man can control you whenever he wants. Look at all the airfence they bought. They did add gravel traps in some areas. Do I wish there weren't any walls? Of course! Do I wish I didn't have to spend oodles on new bodywork and a tank because of the stripe/whatever is happening in turn 1A? You bet.

This is why I try to stay out of most of these off season rants because it makes me passionate too. I don't have cash flowing from my pockets either. why do you think I race production classes? But I let myself go off half cocked and hit the send button anyway, where usually I will wait til the next day and screw replying!

This seems like a common sense safety device to me. Maybe not so much to others. I'll leave it at that!

Mark Dages 454

[CBR929RE]

Mark that's the info I want to see. I'm not as picky as Bergs wanting it to be roadracing specific. I'd assume taking a full face helmet off is the same across all disciplines.

[butcher bergs]

Mark,

Please check your PM's.

-Paul

[zx1012r]

Mark,

Please check your PM's.

-Paul

It must take a little while, there is nothing there yet.

Oh, you meant my PMS! I know!

[zx1012r]

Reply sent! And points well taken.

I go bed now!

[butcher bergs]

Thanks again, Mark.

Happy Birthday

[KB]

Wanna play gotta pay, pay, pay, pay, pay, pay, pay and the cycle continues.If it's what they require it is what I will do. Doesn't mean I need to agree with it.

KB

Uncle Mark I said I would conform if that is what it meant to race!!

KB

[SVRACER01]

why does this need to be replaced every 2 years?

[Woodcraft]

Hey all,

This is an interesting topic. I'll only touch briefly here. I believe that NHMS has nothing but good intentions here, but his one was not exactly run by me for approval - it was more of a notice that "this is what we are doing". NHMS has been pretty good about asking me about safety things when it comes to the track itself, but this one did not fall under my scope because I'm not a medical professional (this is what I read into the situation). From what I have been told, they are used extensively in car racing.....which may or may not affect us. Bikes have different types of trauma than cars.....those guys are not smashing their heads directly on the asphalt and they are pretty well restrained in the cars, by design.

Steve Baron consulted with Arai, and from what I understand they did not approve of this device. I have good relationships with those guys from years of using their stuff, so I'm going to ask them myself. Arai does have an add-on that makes helmet removal easier....it's a little hood similar to what was mentioned in an article earlier. In the old days, Karen Hornbecker worked directly with the medical staff and made sure that they were all experts in helmet removal. I do not ever recall an incident where someone suffered trauma as a result of improper removal. My wife is a Critical Care NP and works with several top trauma surgeons, I'm also going to ask their opinion on this.

Again, NHMS is doing this with the best of intentions - I have to doubt of that. They are not going to make any money off of this rule. I have never had one of these units in my helmet, and I don't know what it feels like. Before I form an opinion, I'm going to get a written response from the guys at Arai (whom I trust very much) and some verbal feedback from some trauma surgeons.

I will keep you all updated on my findings.

[Degsy]

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Brilliant.

[tls25rs]

Thanks for going the extra step with this Eric.

Documentation from the helmet manufacturer one way or the other can only help in making an educated decision.

Joel

[OreoGaborio]

Outstanding.

Eric, thanks for taking the time to respond and personally look into this further.
Looking forward to reading what kind of responses you get from your investigation.

[butcher bergs]

Oh, NOW you guys are listening!

[OreoGaborio]

No, we're responding to a reasonable, well thought out response from someone who doesn't wear a tin foil hat, create needless controversy, jump to outlandish conclusions and make unreasonable demands.

[timmyho414]

same can be said for this eject device.

How many helmet companies and models are there(and by no means a criticism of the medics)? How many ejection systems are being mandated?

I wonder how many people who have voiced concern in this thread have contacted that track. There's a difference between bring up a topic to spread the word and bitching until an official chimes.

I remember Tom saying something about this at a riders meeting a year or two ago. I didn't know what this site was then. Now I know what he was talking about.

[CBR929RE]

How many helmet companies and models are there(and by no means a criticism of the medics)? How many ejection systems are being mandated?

I wonder how many people who have voiced concern in this thread have contacted that track. There's a difference between bring up a topic to spread the word and bitching until an official chimes.

I remember Tom saying something about this at a riders meeting a year or two ago. I didn't know what this site was then. Now I know what he was talking about.

yeah but its just the new models like the newer Arai with the quick release cheek pad system that makes anything different. but even those can still be removed the old way. So regardless of manufacturer and model every helmet is coming off the same way. I was just pointing out that any medical personnel at the track has hopefully already been trained on how to take a helmet off and if these eject systems are required I hope they all get training on how to use them properly. My assumption would be that they would get the training on it and I can't see it being that difficult to use.

[KB]

It is going to be a long winter.

KB

[BrianC]

I can't see it being that difficult to use.

Nope, the helmet ejaculation system is just like using a penis pump

[timmyho414]

yeah but its just the new models like the newer Arai with the quick release cheek pad system that makes anything different.

OK, apparently we are more or less on the same page.
That's what I have. I paid a lot for it but do not know if they are trained on it. Maybe they are maybe they aren't. If I was that concerned I'd have walk the 50ft to the AID station and asked. If they are mandating this system they will no doubt train up on it. That can only be good.

Mine's in the mail. I'm done until I try it and/or hear from the officials and from what Eric finds out from Arai.


oh, and "helmet ejaculation system", good one.

[strgt]

If it creates more safety and does not interfere with mobility or comfort, what exactly is the problem here? This is a miniscule investment considering the overall cost of racing in general. I for one will buy one of these per helmet without complaining.

I agree

[butcher bergs]

No, we're responding to a reasonable, well thought out response from someone who doesn't wear a tin foil hat, create needless controversy, jump to outlandish conclusions and make unreasonable demands.

Much as you'd like to think it exists, there isn't any tin foil here, Pete.

As far as your comments about needless controversy and unreasonable demands, first off, it's not my fault that I feel strongly about not having these devices mandated. I have provided numerous reasons for these to not be mandated and not a single one of the "yes sir" types on this forum have been able to make a case against anything I have stated.

I'll state it once again for the people who have trouble with words, the entire issue is the proposal of having these mandated without anything to support it.

Furthermore, how do you figure that my requests to provide some kind of support from any roadrace organization, helmet mfg's or medical staff that is involved in roadracing are unreasonable?

Helmets have to be designed by certain standards (ANSI, DOT, SNELL, etc), same goes for back protectors and even the armor in any half-way-decent leather suit. All of it is designed with a certain set of standards in the assembly process.

Please explain to me how it is unreasonable to request documentation that supports this product in roadracing. I'm serious. Educate me on this. Shit man, PM if you want.

Speaking of PM, here is part of what I said to Mark last night:

With all due respect, mandating something like this is tantamount to mandating mouthguards. Some people won't wear a mouthguard because it is not within their comfort level...

...I keep bringing up the motorcycle roadracing thing because all the other endorsements I have found do not involve participants going 140mph+ and if they do, that participant has a safety cage around them (Indy Car, etc)...

[Degsy]

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same can be said for this eject device.

How many helmet companies and models are there(and by no means a criticism of the medics)? How many ejection systems are being mandated?

I wonder how many people who have voiced concern in this thread have contacted that track. There's a difference between bring up a topic to spread the word and bitching until an official chimes.

I remember Tom saying something about this at a riders meeting a year or two ago. I didn't know what this site was then. Now I know what he was talking about.

Things are much better now BUT people used to bitch here because 10 years of bitching to NHIS had done NOTHING. Things get addressed by NHMS very well nowadays.

Having said that, do you think complaining by the minions to NHMS about this proposed new rule would change anyone's mind? I highly doubt it.

Bergs could say that arai do not endorse the use of the device until he is blue in the face and it isn't going to change anyone's mind. I am glad Eric is doing some checking into this because he will have the ear of NHMS and LRRS.

And I'm not bitching about anything here. Just stating how it is. I could not be happier with the way we have been treated by NHMS in the past 2 years.

[union]

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Things are much better now BUT people used to bitch here because 10 years of bitching to NHIS had done NOTHING. Things get addressed by NHMS very well nowadays.

Having said that, do you think complaining by the minions to NHMS about this proposed new rule would change anyone's mind? I highly doubt it.

Bergs could say that arai do not endorse the use of the device until he is blue in the face and it isn't going to change anyone's mind. I am glad Eric is doing some checking into this because he will have the ear of NHMS and LRRS.

And I'm not bitching about anything here. Just stating how it is. I could not be happier with the way we have been treated by NHMS in the past 2 years.

We have been treated a lot better on the past couple of years. Wanda has gone far above what I ever expected from her. She is easy to talk to and she listens. Certainly a huge positive for LRRS.

How many helmet companies and models are there(and by no means a criticism of the medics)? How many ejection systems are being mandated?

I wonder how many people who have voiced concern in this thread have contacted that track. There's a difference between bring up a topic to spread the word and bitching until an official chimes.

I remember Tom saying something about this at a riders meeting a year or two ago. I didn't know what this site was then. Now I know what he was talking about.

I also recall Tom telling us at a riders meeting last season after we voiced our concern about racing in 40 degree weather and having a nice paint stripe across our racing line that Rt 106 is right behind us if we dont like what they are doing.

With that said anyone up for dirt bike racing this year?

[SVRACER01]

it wasnt just here, the NEAR list i think is far worse

[SteveM]

http://www.ems1.com/ems-products/app...ithout-Trauma/

Quoted from link...

Shock Doctor also has a standard Eject Removal System that riders can purchase and install in their helmet. Riders are encouraged to place an Eject decal on the helmet to inform EMTs that the device is installed. Every professional rider in the American Motrocyclist Association (AMA), including James Stewart and Chad Reed, are currently racing with the standard Eject unit installed.