Fuel Spec at LRRS

[MarkMarine]

I kind of suspected LRRS did this to save us a little money. MR12 is what, 15$ a gallon?

Btw, MR12, which basically is pouring HP into your gas tank, is ~91-93 octane.

[carsick]

I kind of suspected LRRS did this to save us a little money. MR12 is what, 15$ a gallon?

Btw, MR12, which basically is pouring HP into your gas tank, is ~91-93 octane.

And it cools better than water!

[sdog30]

Let me add a little "fuel to the fire"

What annoys me is that they have the technology to test Shell gas and allowed it's use until this past year. I understand its easier to only have to test one pump gas and they carry Sunoco, but it costs about .30 cents more and they have the technology to test it.

Small beans, I know, but it all adds up. The fact it doesn't have ethanol is great, but we burn through the gas so quick, it doesn't matter that much and not worth the extra cash in my opinion.

[The Snowman]

Actually, the 93 pump at the track DOES have ethanol. NH law requires it.

[Pittenger5]

What I don't understand now is why the requirement is there. People going to the hospital for using dangerous fuel or blowing up their own motors is up to them. It's an individuals/teams risk.

You werent racing before a spec rule was in place. I would come home from a race weekend and it would take me a week to recover from breathing all the 50 dollar a gallon fuel fumes from the garages. Seriously. That shit was bad news.

[MarkMarine]

I figure screw it. We're a couple sour weekends from being replaced by an all legends series. Let's play nice with their fuel spec for 93. It's only .10$ more.

[tsorfas]

You werent racing before a spec rule was in place. I would come home from a race weekend and it would take me a week to recover from breathing all the 50 dollar a gallon fuel fumes from the garages. Seriously. That shit was bad news.

Correct it's something I haven't experienced although I raced dragster back in Greece but you don't nearly spend as much time on the track as you do during road racing. It's just something I don't understand possibly cause I haven't experienced.

[OreoGaborio]

I'm glad we run spec fuel.

1 - I don't have headaches after a race weekend anymore
2 - I don't have to "wallet race" to stay close to the front of the pack. Gas at the track may be a few cents more than down the street, but it's a LOT CHEAPER (and easier to deal with, and less hazardous to my health) than the shit I would probably want to be running to be as competitive as I am.


As for gas at the track vs gas at the Shell, Graham has routinely stated that testing the Shell down the street was a huge pain in the ass as it was notoriously inconsistent for testing purposes. It has nothing to do with whether or not he has the technology, it has to do with consistency. It's WAY more accurate, consistent and convenient for him to test the fuel at the track. Graham's a helluva guy and he's put a TON of effort and research into finding ways to improve the series for everyone out there on the grids. Anything that makes his life a little easier so that he can continue working for us and helping the series is fine by me.


This is a SMALL BEANS argument.

[Pigman]

I'm glad we run spec fuel.

1 - I don't have headaches after a race weekend anymore
2 - I don't have to "wallet race" to stay close to the front of the pack. Gas at the track may be a few cents more than down the street, but it's a LOT CHEAPER (and easier to deal with, and less hazardous to my health) than the shit I would probably want to be running to be as competitive as I am.


As for gas at the track vs gas at the Shell, Graham has routinely stated that testing the Shell down the street was a huge pain in the ass as it was notoriously inconsistent. It has nothing to do with whether or not he has the technology, it has to do with consistency. It's WAY more accurate, consistent and convenient for him to test the fuel at the track. Graham's a helluva guy and he's put a TON of effort and research into finding ways to improve the series for everyone out there on the grids. Anything that makes his life a little easier so that he can continue working for us and helping the series is fine by me.


This is a SMALL FUCKING BEANS argument.

Shell at least doesn't have water in it ........ask around, there were a few blown motors and mine ran like complete shit off NHMS gas the Sept weekend and if you believe this was done to be more helpful, then keep drinking that cool aid bud ... I ran fuel from down the street the last weekend and no problems at all....

Coincidence or not don't believe everything you hear.....to have those pumps pay for themselves they needed to keep the sales in house and on the property. Had nothing to do with helping anyone out......its defiantly convenient to have and I don't mind paying a bit extra to walk to the pump and get gas but to have issues with the fuel and potentially blow a motor or my bike to run like shit and risk my life for a few cents isn't going to happen....

I will run pump fuel from down the street or can fuel ONLY from now on....

[Kurlon]

I somehow doubt the small amount of 93 we buy on a race weekend spikes the numbers at all. They get less from me at the pumps than I spend in one day at the Smoke Shack. It's easy enough to determine though, the pumps should have overall gallon counters. Note the numbers Thur evening, and again Sunday before heading home and simple subtraction will note the sales for the weekend. I suspect this weekend's LeMons race will easily quadruple our gas spending, if not more.

For the record, my machine ran like a top on track 93 Sunday, and it's sensitive to changes in gas. My Highlander Hybrid even more so and it didn't have any issues implying the gas was off.

Mark, based on the rules meeting I don't think we're in any danger of being replaced by the Legends Cars. The cars aren't going away, but at the same time gate receipts are up, LRRS attendance is up, it's a rosy picture with trends in the right directions for NHMS and they're working to make LRRS bigger, not bury it to reclaim the time for something else.

[nt650hawk]

I can tell yo from experience that Cornerworkers like the restriction. I used to have a banging headache from sniffing all the fumes and my eyes were so bloodshot from everythign out there. not so much any more with the restrictions.

Back down in Daytona We were constantly gettting gassed out of the garages. not good

[timmyho414]

I don't know what the fuel was in Jersey but the fums SUCKED! I'm guessing that's why they have signs saying not to fill up in the garage, not that anyone paid attention to them. I'm glad LRRS doesn't allow it.

Besides, I don't think anyone is winning or losing because of fuel.

[MarkMarine]

I don't know what the fuel was in Jersey but the fums SUCKED! I'm guessing that's why they have signs saying not to fill up in the garage, not that anyone paid attention to them. I'm glad LRRS doesn't allow it.

Besides, I don't think anyone is winning or losing because of fuel.

As long as everyone is using the same stuff, no one is winning because of it. But in Jim's case, he is down on power because he doesn't have the right map for the LRRS fuel spec.

But it's winter now Jim, send your bike out and get another map for C12 or whatever you want to run at LRRS.

[Jim]

But it's winter now Jim, send your bike out and get another map for C12 or whatever you want to run at LRRS.

no one in New England can tune my ECU. its more of a question because CCS has no regulations, but LRRS does. and LRRS is supposed to be CCS

[Kurlon]

LRRS runs it's own series with CCS as the larger sanctioning body. If we were straight CCS we wouldn't have our own rule book. Thats why we're also our own region for championships, etc instead of being part of the Atlantic/etc series.

Pull up the 2013 CCS rulebook, affiliates are covered in section 1.3, with the two affiliates being LRRS and CCS Florida.

1.3 CCS AFFILIATES - An entity running events in an independent, cooperative format with CCS, operating by these rules or rules of their own which will allow joint competition at the Race of Champions between their riders and those licensed directly through the CCS office. All riders with Novice status from a CCS affiliate will be licensed and compete with CCS as Amateurs. It is the riders responsibility to notify CCS of any change in licensing status with any organization during the calendar year.

1.3.1 CCS Affiliates are allowed to add regional classes as they see fit.
1.3.2 CCS Affiliates are not required to run all CCS Championship Classes, as long as there are SuperSport, SuperBike and /or Grand Prix classes that allow joint competition at the affiliated events.
1.3.3 CCS Affiliates may institute minimum technical requirements that are different than those found in Section 5 of the Championship Cup Series road racing rules as long as these requirements are readily available to all CCS licensed riders via electronic or standard paper media.
1.3.4 It is the rider’s responsibility to check with the hosting organization on specific rules differences before attempting to compete at an affiliate event.

[GixerJockey]

Let me add a little "fuel to the fire"

What annoys me is that they have the technology to test Shell gas and allowed it's use until this past year. I understand its easier to only have to test one pump gas and they carry Sunoco, but it costs about .30 cents more and they have the technology to test it.

Small beans, I know, but it all adds up. The fact it doesn't have ethanol is great, but we burn through the gas so quick, it doesn't matter that much and not worth the extra cash in my opinion.

There absolutely is ethanol in the 93 that is sold at the track. It must be there because that fuel is used in on-road vehicles.

I figure screw it. We're a couple sour weekends from being replaced by an all legends series. Let's play nice with their fuel spec for 93. It's only .10$ more.

no one in New England can tune my ECU. its more of a question because CCS has no regulations, but LRRS does. and LRRS is supposed to be CCS

Change ECUs. I'm sure it will cost significantly less than all the hardware you tossed down the pavement this year... and last year... and the year before that... and the year before that... Jesus, stop crashing!

[Jim]

Change ECUs. I'm sure it will cost significantly less than all the hardware you tossed down the pavement this year... and last year... and the year before that... and the year before that... Jesus, stop crashing!

i'm still faster than you.
oh, and shut up Novice

[GixerJockey]

i'm still faster than you.
oh, and shut up Novice

I run one race weekend in 5 years and you're proclaiming victory? You've had those 5 years to learn to ride that thing (sorry... things)


Is is april yet?

[OreoGaborio]

Shell at least doesn't have water in it ........ask around, there were a few blown motors and mine ran like complete shit off NHMS gas the Sept weekend and if you believe this was done to be more helpful, then keep drinking that cool aid bud ... I ran fuel from down the street the last weekend and no problems at all....

Coincidence or not don't believe everything you hear.....to have those pumps pay for themselves they needed to keep the sales in house and on the property. Had nothing to do with helping anyone out......its defiantly convenient to have and I don't mind paying a bit extra to walk to the pump and get gas but to have issues with the fuel and potentially blow a motor or my bike to run like shit and risk my life for a few cents isn't going to happen....

I will run pump fuel from down the street or can fuel ONLY from now on....

Jesus, comin out both guns blazing eh? Why so pissed & why is it directed at me?

If you want me to keep drinking kool aid, then I'll drink my Kool aid & you drink yours... At least I know mine is backed up by someone who knows what they're talking about. Graham already addressed the "blown motor cuz of bad gas" concern. Trying to dig it up. There may very well be something to that, or maybe not... but hundreds of racers used that gas that weekend and only a few had problems. Don't ask me what it is cuz I have no idea. Very well could be gas for all I know but I thought Graham addressed it pretty well.


As for the "helpful" bit, I was inferring that it was more helpful to the tester (Graham), who really knows his shit and works his ass off trying to improve the series.

[MarkMarine]

no one in New England can tune my ECU. its more of a question because CCS has no regulations, but LRRS does. and LRRS is supposed to be CCS

Send your bike to someone that can tune it. Shit you were just in FL, pretty close to NASA. The rocket scientists over there can't figure out your super ECU? What did you buy a Magnetti?

and my follow up: why in the world did you buy an ECU that no one in the area you live in can tune? You might as well have carbs at that point.

[MarkMarine]

Shell at least doesn't have water in it ........ask around, there were a few blown motors and mine ran like complete shit off NHMS gas the Sept weekend and if you believe this was done to be more helpful, then keep drinking that cool aid bud ... I ran fuel from down the street the last weekend and no problems at all....

Coincidence or not don't believe everything you hear.....to have those pumps pay for themselves they needed to keep the sales in house and on the property. Had nothing to do with helping anyone out......its defiantly convenient to have and I don't mind paying a bit extra to walk to the pump and get gas but to have issues with the fuel and potentially blow a motor or my bike to run like shit and risk my life for a few cents isn't going to happen....

I will run pump fuel from down the street or can fuel ONLY from now on....

Now everyone knows if you lose a race to Pigman, just drop a dime on his non-spec fuel choice

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[Pigman]

Now everyone knows if you lose a race to Pigman, just drop a dime on his non-spec fuel choice

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Ehhhh Really not worried seeing as 1.Im slow 2. Unless I can magically crank out a 1.12 Im just another back marker.

But really, Oreo wasn't bashing you either just every thing has a hook to it as you can see. I do appreciate and wasn’t bashing Gram either, he is a good guy and Helps LRRS a ton great guy to have on your team..... just wasn't really happy when you almost get asspacked due to bad fuel in a EX race....

[GixerJockey]

Here's what Graham had to say about the fuel issue:

"This past race week end.
Two racers pitted near each other blew their engines ..
They got talking, both had just topped up with track pump gas, put two and two together and seemed to come to the conclusion - got bad fuel... it spread around - NHMS' track pump gas has bad fuel...water in the tank etc etc.

1 NHMS goes though pump gas very quick in the tank - even faster then gas stations. So they likely don't have water sitting in the bottom or the ethanol is absorbing the water etc. so getting into your bike is highly unlikely.

2. I tested the fuel from the bottom of competitors gas tanks and it was 100% correct to a sample from NHMS tanks from last race week end which was 100% correct to gas from the NHMS tank this week-end.

WE test the electrical characteristics of the molecular structure of the fuel so ANY foreign body like additional water, less or more ethanol etc. would clearly show up.
AS a double check added a small amount of water to a sample of fuel and let it sit on the bottom of the fuel away from the DC fuel meter probe and it showed a dramatic change.

Also they were on Supersport bikes with stock compression so even of the fuel was bad it would maybe run rough but not cause engine destruction.... a high compression engine is another story -but would not be running 93 pump anyway.

So if you hear the rumor about bad NHMS fuel or blowing up motors tell'um it's bullshit...."

[Pigman]

Ok...well I guess its just Bullshit then..... I must of been drinkin allready

[timmyho414]

I blew my transmission that weekend, I wonder if I got bad gas too.