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    No Larry Lap???

    Who is Joyce Thurman??

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    Re: No Larry Lap???

    I guess Jim doesn't get to chase man-asses. Officially anyway.

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    Re: No Larry Lap???

    Ya, check your email...

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    Re: No Larry Lap???

    I don't think I've seen very many less informative informational emails.

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    Re: No Larry Lap???

    I didn't get an email

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    Re: No Larry Lap???

    The question remains...WHO IS THIS Joyce Thurman??

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    Re: No Larry Lap???

    I'd love to provide more information, but there isn't much more....
    Also the Larry Lap will not be taking place at the next Loudon Road Race event due to a conflict between the track and Joyce Thurman.

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    Idk. My Google fu has failed to identify a Joyce Thurman that would be of relevance.

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    No Larry Lap???

    I saw some FB chatter saying it was Larry's girlfriend.

    Not a very well drafted email though...usually having a conflict with someone means you're fighting them.....

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    All over facebook. Hopefully all have seen. Shitty situation.

    Quote Originally Posted by jasnmar View Post
    Idk. My Google fu has failed to identify a Joyce Thurman that would be of relevance.
    Amazes me that some can have such a low profile as to not get google hits like this.

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    Re: No Larry Lap???

    From Tom Blanchette:

    "Good Evening Everyone, as you all know for many years the Larry Lap has been an LRRS tradition to support Larry's charity of choice. It has been poorly organized at best unfortunately for the 5 years that I have been in this position. Sometimes no t-shirts at the event only to be delivered at a later date. Often times extensive lists of folks to receive free entry to the event delivered to the gate a very short time before the event actually was kicked off. No insurance coverage for the event and certainly situations which do not fall in line with existing established safety rules and guidelines leaving all liability on N.H.M.S. This obviously causes many issues. There was no request for the Larry Lap to take place this year so in June several of us met to work out the details with Larry's approval. Two weeks ago when we were in the final stages of ordering the t-shirts Joyce informed us that she was the originator, facilitator, and planner of the event. She would not allow us to conduct the event without serious ramifications without her permission. Basically stating she owned the rights to the Larry Lap. Therefore we have to make the unfortunate decision to cancel the event we were trying to help Larry with. It simply comes down to organization, execution, liability, and then basically being put on official notice we had no rights to the art work or the event and that if she was not in charge it could not and would not happen. Sorry everyone we were trying to do the right thing."

    Unfortunately, things were getting a little weird about who was in control of this gig well before Tommy arrived.

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    So they cancel a charity event for a piss contest. Mature...

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    Re: No Larry Lap???

    The Larry Lap is definitely dead.

    Friends of Larry is rising from the ashes as we post.

    I have a good feeling on this one.

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    Thanks Johnny, please keep us posted. We'll support Larry in however this works out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny B View Post
    From Tom Blanchette:

    "Good Evening Everyone, as you all know for many years the Larry Lap has been an LRRS tradition to support Larry's charity of choice. It has been poorly organized at best unfortunately for the 5 years that I have been in this position. Sometimes no t-shirts at the event only to be delivered at a later date. Often times extensive lists of folks to receive free entry to the event delivered to the gate a very short time before the event actually was kicked off. No insurance coverage for the event and certainly situations which do not fall in line with existing established safety rules and guidelines leaving all liability on N.H.M.S. This obviously causes many issues. There was no request for the Larry Lap to take place this year so in June several of us met to work out the details with Larry's approval. Two weeks ago when we were in the final stages of ordering the t-shirts Joyce informed us that she was the originator, facilitator, and planner of the event. She would not allow us to conduct the event without serious ramifications without her permission. Basically stating she owned the rights to the Larry Lap. Therefore we have to make the unfortunate decision to cancel the event we were trying to help Larry with. It simply comes down to organization, execution, liability, and then basically being put on official notice we had no rights to the art work or the event and that if she was not in charge it could not and would not happen. Sorry everyone we were trying to do the right thing."



    Unfortunately, things were getting a little weird about who was in control of this gig well before Tommy arrived.

    ...I guess maybe that email wast worded so poorly after all....that sounds like having a conflict with someone....although it's a little unusual to allude to that type of thing in a professional email.....


    I'm going to assume that there is likely 2 sides to the story but this makes Joyce sound like a real hose-beast....

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    LRRS is small and personal for us all. Larry Lap is also small and personal for us all. Fuck the establishment for shittng on a fantastic, well intentioned thing.

    Pisses me off.

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    Re: No Larry Lap???

    Everyone should just wear their Larry lap shirts from previous years to show support. Be pretty cool to see the grids filled with all the shirts over leathers all weekend. I'm sure everyone has a shirt to wear and even one to lend to the newbies.

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    While my Google fu sucks I will point out that joyces's email address is pfs4nh@yahoo.com, you know, if someone wanted to contact her...

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    Jason, I say again....remind me not to piss you off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwm2k3 View Post
    Jason, remind me not to piss you off...
    This.

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    Re: No Larry Lap???

    Quote Originally Posted by sdog30 View Post
    Everyone should just wear their Larry lap shirts from previous years to show support. Be pretty cool to see the grids filled with all the shirts over leathers all weekend. I'm sure everyone has a shirt to wear and even one to lend to the newbies.
    That's my plan. Whether or not there's an official larry lap I'm going to dig up all the old T's that I can find. I've got a lot.

    From what I've gathered on FB as of 9pm last night, the event may still happen... just no 2014 t-shirts. Keep yer fingers crossed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwm2k3 View Post
    Jason, I say again....remind me not to piss you off.
    LOL. The information is mostly here... I was being too specific with my search.

    It's also easier if you start with her last name spelled correctly... Thorman, I believe to be correct.

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    Transcribed from facey space for those without access...

    From: Joyce Thorman [mailto: pfs4nh@yahoo.com]
    Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 11:21 AM
    To: Steve Aspland [redacted]
    Cc: Tom Blanchette [redacted]
    Subject: Re: Were you able to hook up with Larry this weekend?

    I am the creator of, initiator of, and organizer of the “Larry Lap”. I have neigher relegated nor designated these roles to anyone. If the “Larry Lap” takes place this year, it will be under my direction, as it has been for the last 8 years. The vendors for the “Larry Lap” will be businesses located in New Hampshire, those who employ New Hampshire residents and support the economy of New Hampshire every day.
    Joyce Thorman


    From: Joyce Thorman [mailto: pfs4nh@yahoo.com]
    Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 1:04 PM
    To: Steve Aspland [redacted]
    Subject: Re: Were you able to hook up with Larry this weekend?

    Let me see if I can explain this to you. First of all: A charity event that benefits an organization that is based in New Hampshire, when the major participants of the event Live in New Hampshire, Work in New Hampshire, loyalty is to the State of New Hampshire and the Small Businesses that operate in the State. Therefor you patronize those Small Businesses. Many of the LRRS racers own Small Businesses or represent them. You own a small business. How would you feel having someone disrespect you?, taking money out of your pocket?, causing you to lay off New Hampshire resident employees?, and the addendum to that is no matter what state an injured racer is from, if that injury occurs within our sphere of influence, they have access to the resources of New Hampshire.

    Second: The premise that was presented, that the shirts were less expensive is a fallacy. A thin white T-Shirt for $4:00 doesn’t even come near the quality our vendor supplies. And it has already been stated that the price goes up if the T-Shirt is a color. Our vendor not only does much better, but his prices are severely marked down as his donation.

    Third: Let’s take a look at design. Bob created the first design in 2007 and also gave it away in 2007. Therefore, he retains no rights to it. For him to give Blanchette the same design is an infringement, nor is the zip file an indication of the official Larry Lap Logo. (This is not to say that Bob’s heart and motivation was not positively directed). But have you taken a look at the design for the back of the shirt? The NHMS banner goes across the shoulders of the T-Shirt and there is no room for the sponsors recognition. Not that there was a request for a list of the sponsors names, numbers, Business Names, Franchise Names, Logos. Or the size font that they were to be printed in and their place on the shirt.
    And if that is not enough, I will reiterate that I am the creator of the “Larry Lap”, the initiator of the “Larry Lap” and the organizer of the “Larry Lap”, therefore, it stands to reason that I should be consulted first.

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    Def wearing old shirts all weekend! Ill hand my $ directly to Larry and not ride the Lap if that thats what it comes down to.

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