Article: Passing & Being passed

[OreoGaborio]

http://www.ahrma.org/features/passing.htm

[a13x]

IMO I stink at passing.
I'm good at being passed.

Need to work on that.

[Paul_E_D]

It's a good article, but something in there is bothering me. He said he passed a guy up the inside, and the guy hit him by standing it up. That seems impossible to me.

He goes on to say it happens again, and the guy is a hazard.

Who is the hazard here? If you get hit on the INSIDE, regardless of the other riders action, you have "stuffed" the guy. Not a clean pass IMHO.

[brewmaster]

Good article. Words and advice that I
will certainly use as a novice this year and into the future. I would feel terrible if I pushed someone off the track, we are a big disfunctional family.

[Nazo]

All this reading will do you no good if your running Novice in the 600CC class......Its just insanity out there when it comes to passing. I remember being bumped on the inside of Turn 1 only to then be bumped on the outside by someone else.
Passing is so messy in the Novice HW classes.
I don't think its mostly intentional, just lack of experience and riding a powerful bike.
I gotta say its defiantely fun........I have yelled out "What the Fuck Was that?" on more than one occasion last season.
I'm looking forward to cleaner more controlled passing and racing as I move up to AM this season.

[Awesome]

Rubbin's racin'.

I haved a number of people bounce of my tail and my left leg coming into turn one, I've had to use my right knee to keep somone from crashing into me, and i've had a good bump mid corner in 1A. Found him in the pits later to make sure there was no hard feelings, and of course there wasn't. Passing someone, especially someone riding at very close to the same level and pace as yourself takes finess, talent, and once again, balls. There are times you'll find yourself neck and neck on the same line.

At the novice level you're only going to learn so much from all this reading and research, you need to get out there then maybe come back and refference these articles. Right now you have no frame of reffrence. Once you're out there you're not going to have attention to be spending on what this guy said about how to do this and all that. Like he said in the article, as a beginner, "almost all your concentration has to be devoted to going fast and dealing with the track".

[OreoGaborio]

Originally posted by Paul_E_D
It's a good article, but something in there is bothering me. He said he passed a guy up the inside, and the guy hit him by standing it up. That seems impossible to me.

He goes on to say it happens again, and the guy is a hazard.

Who is the hazard here? If you get hit on the INSIDE, regardless of the other riders action, you have "stuffed" the guy. Not a clean pass IMHO.

Sure he said he passed him on the inside? I read that as the other way around... the guy was ON his inside *goes back & reads again

[Paul_E_D]

"I come upon this guy and pass him on the inside, nothing close. Instead of keeping his line, he straightens up, gives up on the corner and hits me. Boom. I’m off the track "

Pretty sure...

[GMAN226]

It sounds like he was on the outside..

G-man

[OreoGaborio]

Originally posted by Paul_E_D
"I come upon this guy and pass him on the inside, nothing close. Instead of keeping his line, he straightens up, gives up on the corner and hits me. Boom. I’m off the track "

Pretty sure...

yip, indeed that's what it says..... weird... doesn't make sense

[RSVMILLE661]

It is the responsibility of the over taking rider to pass in a clean safe manor.

When I had my “BIG” accident several years ago, I was holding my line, heading down hill into 6. Some jackass decided it would be a good idea to try and go by me on the “outside” of the down hill before we even started braking for the corner. Now I was clearly in the lane to the right of the track almost on the white line when I was hit from behind and sent flying at about 100 mph. Thus shattering my right hand and coloring my body from head to toe with black & blue (which then faded to green) Keep in mind this was a practice session too. I feel to this day, the rider in question was riding far too aggressively for a practice session.

I can also remember in my novice year, I passed a person into 1 and literally had my leg / knee on their fairing as we traded positions.

I offer up this advice: If you are going to pass someone make sure you have enough room to get by them. Also, do it decisively, the quicker you pass them the better off you’ll be.

[SVRACER01]

i pass on the outside of 8..... when no one expects it

[Paul_E_D]

I like to pass on the inside of 8. In the dirt. That gets the 125 really out of shape, pretty much gauranteeing that they don't pass me back.

[Nazo]

I love passing in 8...inside..outside...

[TTD]

Originally posted by RSVMILLE661
It is the responsibility of the over taking rider to pass in a clean safe manor.

When I had my “BIG” accident several years ago, I was holding my line, heading down hill into 6. Some jackass decided it would be a good idea to try and go by me on the “outside” of the down hill before we even started braking for the corner. Now I was clearly in the lane to the right of the track almost on the white line when I was hit from behind and sent flying at about 100 mph.

Wasn't there... so not commenting on your crash specifically...

But one big problem I had at Loudon was riders using the very right edge of the track going into the bowl.

The "line" is about 6 feet from the right edge.

If you're coming up on a slower rider and you catch them early enough... you can go on the inside.

If you don't catch them until halfway down the hill, the better pass is on the outside for two reasons.

One... you don't have to stuff the guy.

Two... you don't kill your drive up the hill out of the bowl.

This was by far my fastest section of the track and probably accounted for half of my close race passes... and hundreds of passes on slower riders... so this has come up many times for me.

My suggestion to those riders not doing sub 15's is to not hug the right edge of the track. You'll get stuffed on the inside less, and you won't get hit from the back.

Again... just a suggestion in general for the new guys... and more importantly... track day riders.

[Paul_E_D]

Here, here (sp?) ! I don't think the line is anywhere near the right edge of the track on the way down the hill.

I have crashed a few times making the outside pass on riders who feel compelled to follow the white line into the bowl. It hurts, because it's about 80MPH right at the turn in.

To get away from those guys I started using an inside line down the hill but going straight as the track starts to curve away left then turning QUICK as I approach the edge of the track(4 feet shy of the edge). I can brake much later this way, and I can get the throttle wide open before the apex giving me killer drive up the hill.

This way I always get the pass done on the inside, while blocking the outside line.

[Hardcore]

Originally posted by Paul_E_D
Here, here (sp?) ! I don't think the line is anywhere near the right edge of the track on the way down the hill.

I have crashed a few times making the outside pass on riders who feel compelled to follow the white line into the bowl. It hurts, because it's about 80MPH right at the turn in.

To get away from those guys I started using an inside line down the hill but going straight as the track starts to curve away left then turning QUICK as I approach the edge of the track(4 feet shy of the edge). I can brake much later this way, and I can get the throttle wide open before the apex giving me killer drive up the hill.

This way I always get the pass done on the inside, while blocking the outside line.

ya, I want to follow your line there!