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is MoCool legal for LRRS?

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    is MoCool legal for LRRS?

    This question is most likely for Graham, but Eric might know.

    Is Motul's MoCool legal for LRRS?

    I had the opportunity to meet with Motul over the long weekend out in SoCal and this was one of the products I spoke to with their technical product manager.
    I explained that LRRS doesn't allow Engine Ice, but allows Water Wetter with water in the rider's radiator.

    MoCool is similar, as you add a small amount to a radiator filled with distilled water.
    It dries very quickly with heat, if poured onto pavement.

    The biggest advantage I saw in comparison to Water Wetter was the cooling additives, as I don't run a fan on my radiator.

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    Re: is MoCool legal for LRRS?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pigman View Post
    read the thread and the rule book.
    it's not on the list for approve or unapproval.
    so back to my original question, can it be approved or tested for approval?

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    Re: is MoCool legal for LRRS?

    It was said by eric some where.....that if you have a new water wetter you can submit it for testing and they will Approve it or not.....Grahm was the test guy as with fuel. If its not on the list you should submit it for approval, easy bud

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    Re: is MoCool legal for LRRS?

    Hey,

    Did you get to meet Jason Britton while you were there..................he was there also, saw it on the FB?

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    Re: is MoCool legal for LRRS?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pigman View Post
    its not on the list you should submit it for approval, easy bud
    Which is what I said in post 3.
    If they haven't tested it, will they?


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    join us in sunny socal



    or recently, rainy, flooded, car accident socal

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    Re: is MoCool legal for LRRS?

    If it's not in the approved list, it's not currently legal.

    You can submit it to Tech to test for potential approval at a later date, but don't show up with it in your bike for the opening round hoping to be good to go. Bring a sample bottle to give to tech. As far as cooling improvements, any of the additives that act as suffricant and disrupt water surface tension will have the same effect. My 'slightly hotter than stock' 400 is running without a cooling fan as well.

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    Re: is MoCool legal for LRRS?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurlon View Post
    If it's not in the approved list, it's not currently legal.

    You can submit it to Tech to test for potential approval at a later date, but don't show up with it in your bike for the opening round hoping to be good to go. Bring a sample bottle to give to tech. As far as cooling improvements, any of the additives that act as suffricant and disrupt water surface tension will have the same effect. My 'slightly hotter than stock' 400 is running without a cooling fan as well.
    that's what i'm looking for. I'm hoping it would go through the process before I have to bring a bottle to the tech garage, as i'm probably not going up there till the Classic.

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    Re: is MoCool legal for LRRS?

    It's CCS (and WERA) approved. CCS sanctions LRRS... I get that we have some of our own rules, and classes... but there should be zero excuse as to why it would be approved by CCS and denied by LRRS.

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    Re: is MoCool legal for LRRS?

    engine ice is approved for CCS and given out to D200 riders. i personally have slipped and crashed on spilled Engine Ice on the track. So i can see the concern for denying CCS approved items.

    this product however is comparable to Water Wetter, which is LRRS approved.

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    Re: is MoCool legal for LRRS?

    Engine Ice is slippery, but can be cleaned up a bit more effectively than straight coolant. I still think it is ridiculous to have different fluid restrictions for a CCS sanctioned race series, where competitors may quite often race at other venues. It makes no sense, get on the same page.

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    Re: is MoCool legal for LRRS?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim View Post
    that's what i'm looking for. I'm hoping it would go through the process before I have to bring a bottle to the tech garage, as i'm probably not going up there till the Classic.
    Can you give someone a sample to bring up for rd 1 to be tested prior to your arrival?

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    Re: is MoCool legal for LRRS?

    More like mofool.

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    Re: is MoCool legal for LRRS?

    Early signs are positive. Non glycol and WERA approved. A sample should be given to Chuck at Tech for approval. This will not be approved immediately. In addition to the scuff test, ease of cleanup is also evaluated on a day when the track is inactive.
    Regarding the non approved list, Engine Ice is approved by ASRA/CCS, even though it contains Propylene Glycol. The other brand is very vague about what it's made of but in their web site they mention that it's good to -40° and admit that it's "slippery".
    Propylene Glycol is slippery. We don't allow it. WERA doesn't allow it.

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