passes

[Kitt]

here are a couple clips from this weekend - I'm not into making people watch 10 minutes of laps... Camera was off for a pretty cool Pass around 103 (gsxr1000) in T3, but here's a couple I caught...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBh7XJELqR4

[Kenn157]

SWEET! I saw 161mph!

[JRide]

Haha, looks like you're in fast forward compared to my laps.

Cool vid. What's your gearing from stock?

["Dangerous" Dan K]

Thanks dude, that's some useful stuff for a novice like myself.

I have a question though. There's something odd going on in that video. Your bike makes some kind of noise and surges forward... what is that? Could you explain?

[OreoGaborio]

Worrrrrd. I gotta get my camera system back up & running.

[Kitt]

Thanks dude, that's some useful stuff for a novice like myself.

I have a question though. There's something odd going on in that video. Your bike makes some kind of noise and surges forward... what is that? Could you explain?

yea, that is just the see-see's working... an EX doesn't have those... so don't get all tangled up in that

[Kitt]

SWEET! I saw 161mph!

haha, gearing is off stock by 13%, so I suppose 161 = 141.5

[RyanNicholson]

SWEET! I saw 161mph!

Speedo's on race bikes don't mean much, the way the gearing is for Loudon sends them off quite a bit. The main straight is probably 135mph or so. That's why you see a lot of guys say "indicated" and use the speedo just for comparison's sake.

Sweet vid tho man. 'Grats on the 16's

[Kitt]

use the speedo just for comparison's sake.

yea, I def do this to see if I'm clicking off any extra speed... I could get by with just a tach, or with nothing at all, but the MPH are a nice marker to help with making improvements around the track.

[Kenn157]

Speedo's on race bikes don't mean much, the way the gearing is for Loudon sends them off quite a bit. The main straight is probably 135mph or so. That's why you see a lot of guys say "indicated" and use the speedo just for comparison's sake.

Sweet vid tho man. 'Grats on the 16's

Ah! Was still fast though!

[yammy644]

Nice slow motion for the bump pass in 11...

[Paul_E_D]

Nice! What happened in 11 there near the end? Lose the front? hit the curb?

[Pittenger5]

You fast guys are fucking nuts.

[Kitt]

Nice! What happened in 11 there near the end? Lose the front? hit the curb?

Timmy Barber was trying to get around me, my line brings me to (almost) the curb, tim said his bike slingshot off the curb and into mine... it was def a pucker moment, because I always feel like im on tip-toes over there anyway...

My first guess was that bergs was riding his bike for that race, but then I reminded myself... if that were the case, he wouldn't have been passing me

[Paul_E_D]

That's the toughest section to feel the limit IMO. A slightly tighter entrance is safer. If someone can pass you on the outside there, they are a lot faster than you through the entrance. If you're slow at the entrance, and use a wide line, those guys *should* pass up the inside, but often don't, leading to contact at the curbing.

Anyway, leaving a bike width on the outside is good.

[Kitt]

That's the toughest section to feel the limit IMO. A slightly tighter entrance is safer. If someone can pass you on the outside there, they are a lot faster than you through the entrance. If you're slow at the entrance, and use a wide line, those guys *should* pass up the inside, but often don't, leading to contact at the curbing.

Anyway, leaving a bike width on the outside is good.

Leaving the door open for people? doesn't sound right... I'm not as concerned with the passing wide, it's more the getting stuffed for 11a that screws up the entire drive down the straight... A pass on the outside of 11 can essentially cost you a few positions.

If somebody can thread the needle and pass on the inside, that's great, however, unless they are MUCH faster, I still own the line in 11a... Now when Wood and Greenwood pass me there, there's enough speed differential where I am not affected.

[yammy644]

Yeah I got a great drive out of 10 and tried to get by on the outside, there was plenty of room 1 second and then there was none. I stood the bike up and braced for the curb and Kitt. I hit the slope of the curb and bounced off Kitt, then backed off and ran wide to give Kitt some Holy Shit room.

[Paul_E_D]

Leaving the door open for people? doesn't sound right... I'm not as concerned with the passing wide, it's more the getting stuffed for 11a that screws up the entire drive down the straight... A pass on the outside of 11 can essentially cost you a few positions.

If somebody can thread the needle and pass on the inside, that's great, however, unless they are MUCH faster, I still own the line in 11a... Now when Wood and Greenwood pass me there, there's enough speed differential where I am not affected.

Ever seen someone get taken out there? it's not pretty. My philosophy is if you don't need the whole track, don't use the whole track. It's faster to take the shortest way around the track that you can for your given pace. Plus, someone out there needs the whole track for their pace.

[Kitt]

Staying off the outside curb before T11 would make it a harder, tighter turn, over what can be a bumpy/weightless ride... The wider I enter, the better I can negotiate 11 and set up for 11a...

I will def watch some faster guys and see what they are doing, and try a couple lines out in practice.

I got a chance to follow tim through that section, and there was a big difference in the direction of his drive out of 10, which set up for some major differences - this could change the way I look at the entire back section.

[Paul_E_D]

Well, a few thoughts: maintain the highest possible entry speed into 11 that you can. Setting up for 12 is almost pointless as there's nowhere to go. stuff it in there any way you can and drive out as early as you can. Tight in (relatively), wide out of 11 is very fast and protects 12 because the guy on the outside of 11 is screwed, if he can even get beside you, he'll be quickly pushed into the marbles...

[RyanNicholson]

I'm kinda with Paul on this one... T11 totally entry focus. You can brake later/harder and take a slightly tighter line without being passed, and drop your lap times all at once by carrying a slight bit of extra speed. Setting up as wide as possible forces you to get on the binders a bit earlier. Of course a tighter line leaves an outside pass open, but only if they're fast enough to get around you safely... in that case, they're probably going to get around you eventually anyway.

In this instance, you two had the hardest fought battle going on in the entire race and you guys weren't even technically racing each other lol

[strgt]

Haha, looks like you're in fast forward compared to my laps.

Cool vid. What's your gearing from stock?

Thought the same thing

[butcher bergs]

My first guess was that bergs was riding his bike for that race,

Hey!! What the....

but then I reminded myself... if that were the case, he wouldn't have been passing me

HEY!!!!

[Kitt]

Hey!! What the....





HEY!!!!

don't worry, I know it won't be you for the next race either - because you are going to WATCH instead!!! Can I quote you're "To me, a real racer is..." speech? lol

[butcher bergs]

Can I quote you're "To me, a real racer is..." speech? lol

Here we go again...

Quote away if you must. Broken gearbox tends to make racing difficult, not a couple cones and some large blue pillows.