Questions/Comments about 2007 LRRS Fuel Rules

This is a response to a question posted by a racer on NEAR. It should answer more of your questions:



I posted this on the list as an answer to BJ.... but I don't know if it made it on there. It addresses a few of the questions that have been raised as best I know how.

BJ (& others)

Hopefully I'm not doing myself in by vioating my (self-imposed) policy of staying off internet message boards....but since there are so many questions floating around and I have somewhat of an inside perspective on what is going on, I'll toss in what I know. These are all my personal view and not necessarily those of LRRS or VP.

First, I know that there are several details still being sorted out. Many of these are in response to questions posted both here and elsewhere. I think that the best thing to do is to reserve a bit of judgement until the rule is actually formally written down and posted - which will happen certainly by the first weekend. The information on the fuel rule was promised by Monday, and on Monday a considerable portion of the information was delivered.

I knew of many of the proposals offered by various fuel vendors, and the VP program was the best one for LRRS racers by far. The main reasons were that they offered the best contingency program (some offered none) and they were also willing to offer (by far) the least expensive alternative to pump gas of all the companies. With Super Unleaded selling at the Mobil station in my town for $2.80 (at massive volume), I was impressed that VP had the ability to blend a special fuel for our series for only $3.25.

I know for certain, having talked with VP, that the MS93 we are getting is actually not MS93 but MS93.1. This is a variation of the MS93 that is blended for motorcycles, just for NHIS. I don't pretend to know the chemistry, but the MS93.1 purchased at the track will have specific differences. I know that someone asked about the price staying constant all season, and I did ask about that. The answer was that they would do their best to hold the price, but couldn't guarantee it. If crude oil goes crazy again, all gas prices will go up a bit.....this would be the case if there were a spec fuel or not.

In order for this program to work, the fuel must be purchased at the track. I know that information was not in the original post - but here is the reasoning (from my understanding). First, that is the only way that both the C12 and MS93.1 can be guaranteed to pass. Regular dealers reuse drums that could have been MR9 the pass before and the residue could throw things off. Second, I know personally that they were hammered to sell to us for their best price - especially on the MS93.1. Unless you don't want to run a decal, everyone at LRRS will be looking to collect contingency. Since VP Atlantic (not VP national) is paying out the money, it only makes business sense that they need you to buy from them and not some other VP source. It's like Dunbar Euro Sports paying you contingency for a Ducati purchased at BCM - doesn't make any sense.

From the perspective of current pump gas running guys (like yourself), you're looking at a maximum increase of 75 cents per gallon. That equates to about $5 per weekend. If you win on $10 contingency certificate, you've made out.

I beleive that you will be able to buy drums of either fuel at the track to avoid having to stand in line each weekend for fuel.

There is no minimum weekend purchase to be legal, that is 100% certain. You must buy 5 gallons per weekend to qualify for contingency, but not to be legal. I do not know the exact details of the contingency program. That is still being discussed. I do not believe that every single class will pay. I also do not think that they will pay contingency 6 places to a race with 5 guys in it. Again, this is my personal view - and not fact. But, it doesn't make sense to me to do that.

On the enforcement and punishments, this is what I know. Riders need to use the fuels sold in order to make this all work. The spirit of the rule was to get rid of the bad stuff, and in order to do that the rules had to make it so everyone uses a fuel that cannot be messed with (i.e. non-oxygenated). Unfortunately, you have to make punishements severe enough to be an actual deterrent. For a $50 fine, Doug Scheer will run MR9(or similar) all day and run the risk. The first weekend is going to be a test bed - were going to test fuels after draining tanks, half filling them up, running cheater additives, etc. Once we become educated on what contamination looks like as a result of mixing with both pump gas and the outlawed fuels, LRRS will be in a better position to make calls.

No one is going to get anything stupid done to them for unwitting infractions. The purpose here is not to make life hard - especially for the new guys. I'm sure that there is going to be an education process that will take a little time. However, get caught pouring MR10, Nutec or an illegal additive after the 2nd weekend, and expect the penalty to be severe. If you get caught pouring pump gas into your bike on Saturday, expect to get punished as well becuase LRRS cannot tell if you've got a quart of "Nitro X" in pump gas due to the fact that pump gas is oxygenated.

Keep in mind, I am not the one making calls or giving out the punshments - but I have been around when officials have talked about the above scenarios.

So, that's what I know for now. I hope this helps clarify things a bit.

Thanks,

Eric Wood
President,
Woodcraft Technologies, Inc.
105 Baldwinville Rd
Winchendon, MA 01475
(978)297-2977
Fax (978)297-2922
www.woodcraft-cfm.com

Sounds good.

Are the VP decals free? :D

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Originally Posted by TheIglu

Sounds good.

Are the VP decals free? :D

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$500 each for the small ones....

I'll cut you a deal and sell you some of the 2006 season decals for $300 each.

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Originally Posted by TheIglu

Sounds good.

Are the VP decals free? :D

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You will get one with each 55 gallon drum purchase. you will need two stickers to be eligible and you will have to leave a $50 deposit on each sticker. Stickers will be inspected 3-4 times each race, so practice your stop and goes.....:chair:

Will inspection be near the turn 8 ice cream stand? Nazo always keeps his wallet in his leathers so he can stop there for ice cream sandwiches.

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Originally Posted by hessogood

$500 each for the small ones....

I'll cut you a deal and sell you some of the 2006 season decals for $300 each.

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I have an assortment of colored magic markers. For $100 per panel, I'll write VP on you bodywork. What a bargain deal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

I hope they can inspect while jogging so I can just keep doing hot laps. :D

I'm sure VP will be giving decals out or selling them cheap.

Fine, They are free in the tech garage. But the 06's have more power so you should still consider my offer.

Stickers alone will be good for a couple horsepower I hear.

Why do you think I get my work done at GMD ... its not for the trick suspension parts ... its for the STICKERS!!!

hahaha. those were the most expensive stickers I've ever bought.

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Originally Posted by BMFR6

hahaha. those were the most expensive stickers I've ever bought.

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..and worth 2-3 seconds a lap!

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Originally Posted by hessogood

Will inspection be near the turn 8 ice cream stand? Nazo always keeps his wallet in his leathers so he can stop there for ice cream sandwiches.

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Nazzo is a homo..........:naughty

Nazo got called a homo.... finally, this thread is getting back to being the NESR we've all come to know and love :D

I haven't read the last 2 pages of posts since my last posts, but initially my thoughts and it seemed like most people think the fuel change takes effect the first weekend.... According to Jerry, it takes place on the second weekend...

"This program will become effective on the 2nd LRRS weekend of 2007 on May 12/13. This will not only allow riders a chance to test and tune their motorcycles, but will also give everyone the chance to buy a drum of fuel to last them for several weekends. Riders can also use the first LRRS weekend to burn off any fuel remaining from past weekends of racing. All riders are encouraged to pre-order fuel from VP Atlantic for delivery to NHIS during the first LRRS weekend in April."

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Originally Posted by senecak19

I haven't read the last 2 pages of posts since my last posts, but initially my thoughts and it seemed like most people think the fuel change takes effect the first weekend.... According to Jerry, it takes place on the second weekend...

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Thats because most people didn't actually read the rule announcement before commenting

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Originally Posted by s a x m a n

Thats because most people didn't actually read the rule announcement before commenting

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God bless the internet, 100 million losers can't be wrong!

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Originally Posted by gmdboston

God bless the internet, 100 million losers can't be wrong!

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once you leave it'll be 99,999,998.... you count as two.

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Originally Posted by OreoGitorio

once you leave it'll be 99,999,998.... you count as two.

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I'm rubber you're glue, what ever say bounces off me and sticks to you!:P :P :P :P :P

i know it says "by the second weekend" but ive got a full tank of Super in mine now and i dont burn a tank every weekend. it will most likely be that i need fuel by the 3rd weekend. i dont want to drain all that gas. it also says that VP most likely wont be paying out to every class. i think they should. if they are gonna make it so every one has to run their gas then every class should get paid. if not then im willing to bet that most LW classes (including Ptwins) is gonna be left out of it. just like we get left out of a dash for cash race.

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Originally Posted by SVRACER01

i know it says "by the second weekend" but ive got a full tank of Super in mine now and i dont burn a tank every weekend. it will most likely be that i need fuel by the 3rd weekend. i dont want to drain all that gas. it also says that VP most likely wont be paying out to every class. i think they should. if they are gonna make it so every one has to run their gas then every class should get paid. if not then im willing to bet that most LW classes (including Ptwins) is gonna be left out of it. just like we get left out of a dash for cash race.

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Drain the tank you lazy bastard. What's it take 15 minutes????? You can put it in you truck. And I've said several times over the last 24 hours and I'll say once more for the cheap seats.....contingency will be available for all classes of bikes, not every class, but every rider will have ample opportunity to win some of the countless millions that VP is now raping from the racers.


Hey didn't I tell you to shut up?????:spank

I dunno what the contingency program is gonna look like, but I say VP should pay out to every single Am & Ex race.... skrew the novices & give the "Chads" of LRRS incentive to finally bump :twofinger

All I get out of this thread is that Peter Kates says whatever Jerry Wood and Co. say. Asskisser. Please take your logic, reasoning, and unpaid manhours elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by a13x

All I get out of this thread is that Peter Kates says whatever Jerry Wood and Co. say. Asskisser. Please take your logic, reasoning, and unpaid manhours elsewhere.

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Haahahahaha....You've met Peter!:drink:

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Originally Posted by gmdboston

..and worth 2-3 seconds a lap!

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Slower...Right!! Sorry I had to say it!:spit: