Questions/Comments about 2007 LRRS Fuel Rules

[Doc]

Can someone hold my hand and show me which line to wait in when?

I am gonna be the noob looking guy with the scared look on his face.

[BMFR6]

1. Is the $3.25 in the contract set in stone for the season? I ask because I am curious what we can expect when oil goes $80, 90, 100+ per barrel through the summer. The profit margin is going to get real tight for VP, is there a contingency plan in place for when they want to reneg on the contract?

2. What is the staying power of the 93 fuel? If I only race once or twice on Saturday I know I won't go through 5 gallons. We need to buy five gallons to be eligble for contingency so I would prefer to buy 5 gallons every couple weekends rather than 2-3 gallons each weekend. This means periodically I will be bringing some home, will it still be good 3-4 weeks later?

3. Following up the above question. On non-race weekends when I am mowing my lawn and run out of gas, will the VP be okay in my lawnmower? Don't act like it hasn't happened to anyone else.

4. Any gas jug is fine? I don't have to buy one of those 5 gallon $30 dollar things right?

5. Maybe a dumb question but I'm sure people want to know... if I buy a 55 gallon drum, how does that work? Do I have to truck a full drum of gas home? Does it stay with the VP guy on the truck? Is it like prepaying and the VP guy just keeps track of how much gas I get through the season? If it is like prepaying, what happens when I only use 40 gallons this season?

6. Will the fuel truck be at the track on Thursdays and Fridays (as appropriate)?

7. Maybe a random question here, possibly unreasonable, but what happens when the VP truck has a bad batch of gas and we all need fuel? Is there a plan around that?

If any of these questions make me sound like a dick, I apoligize. Just things I thought of. I go up to race because I love to race. If Jerry and his heard said they were only offering 197+ octane jet fuel and everyone had to have their engines rebuilt by Podunk Hairstyle and Engine Repair to handle it, I'd do it. I'm all for making as even a playing field as possible as long as the poor kids are kept in mind. I just like to know in advance so I can try and minimize my grey hairs. Beyond the distribution factor, which no one knows, everything is fine by me..... as long as I don't have to buy one of those fancy pants gas cans.

[OreoGaborio]

Mark, there's no way i'll be going through 5 gallons of fuel per weekend either... But the way i see it right now, I'll probably be buying a 5 gallon tank every race weekend & assuming it really is like pump gas & there's no harm in doing it, dump what's left into my car or bring it home & put it in my street bike which needs 93. That way I'm eligible for contingency in whatever classes they offer it each & every race weekend.

[TheIglu]

Assuming everyone who races has to use the fuel and by that is eligible for contingency $$$, wouldn't they just give the $$ to LRRS to give to us with our trohpys? Will we still have to sign up even though everyone has to use the fuel?

[OreoGaborio]

Will we still have to sign up even though everyone has to use the fuel?

"The VP vendor at the track will record your purchase and your number at each event to qualify you for contingency on that weekend."

[TheIglu]

I didn't realize that no signups for contingency were required, my bad.

[tenkate76]

Alright guys.....this sounds like a stupid question, but LRRS is NOT the first to encounter this issue. Has ANYONE looked into what all the other race organizations are doing?
To me, this seems like the most logical approach. Don't get me wrong, I 'm sure the research was done to try and resolve the fuel issue and this is what you guys came with. Which frankly is NOT a bad idea.

I guess what I am wondering,(and everyone else), is wondering is what were the main factors that contributed to this change. A list by Jerry would be nice.
If someone would just cut to the chase and give the racers ALL the facts...I bet people would not be so pissed off. I think everyone's concerned because not one person knows ALL the facts.

[Collision pro]

My only question is who is making money from this? It's pretty stupid to me seeing how most fast guys there have been riding there forever. Not to mention they have built motors and get their bikes setup at other places, so what is this going to help other then putting money in VP's pocket? Sounds like a scam to me!

[gmdboston]

this is the same rule book that has a bellypan rule that doesnt exist/enforced?

this has turned into a cluster fuck for sure. i guess ill just see how it goes. what happens when i show up on sunday and theres no more fuel (arguments sake)? i guess we will just see what happens. sounds like a huge PITA but hoping it wont be

Shut up Oxx.

[gmdboston]

I didn't realize that no signups for contingency were required, my bad.

RTFM ( read the fucking manual)

[gmdboston]

Again RTFM

http://www.nestreetriders.com/forum/...uel-rules.html

computrackboston.com :: View topic - LRRS Fuel Rules explanation

Please read the posts before firing off more ridiculous questions and conspiracy theories.

And in case you're wondering who gets the money, it's ME, I get all the money, millions.......in fact I'll make so much money off this fuel deal, I had to set up several off shore companies for tax shelters. I even just closed a deal to buy a small South American country, and half the Virgin Islands.

Seriously, the track will not make a dime, in fact they can no longer sell the Sunoco gas at the pumps so they lost that income. VP is selling the MS 93 at so close to cost the only way to make this work for them is have every one buy the gas directly from them. That's why if you buy it from a dealer you will not be eligible for contingency, and you will pay much more.

This new spec fuel rule is a work in progress, that's why we don't all the answers to all the questions. While any constructive questions and comments are welcome, accusations of pay offs, and incompetence are completely uncalled for. I have about 20 hrs of phone calls and internet baby sitting into this, and I'm not in any way compensated for it. Neither is Eric or Jerry. We do this because we want to help a sport we love. So her some advise:

1) Realize that the fuel rule is happening because it has to. For several reasons, not all of them public.

2) If an extra $5-$15 dollars per week end is that much of a burden, you have no business being at a racetrack in the first place. If you're that close to the edge financially, you need to get a second job, not go racing.

3) Contingency payouts will be fair and equitable.

4) Distribution is being worked out. We are all aware of the challenge facing VP. I calculated that 22.5 man hours are required to complete 450 transactions at 3 minutes each. VP knows this and is planning accordingly.

5) If you think for a moment that we are fumbling around in the dark pulling ideas out of thin air you are sadly mistaken. Plans were formulated and analyzed before being announced. Since then some things regarding what fuels would available have changed and so has the plan. It's a work in progress, so be prepared for some adjustments as we go.

6) If some of guys would put as much effort into emailing your congressmen and representatives, we could government waste in half.

As soon as I have the contingency schedule and any more info I will post it.

[Supah Dave]

I knew it was only a matter of time before someone got annoyed by all the fucking crying!
It's funny how everyone is whining about this when we're still 2 months away from even seeing how this might play out! Why not STFU, wait and see how it goes, and then bitch about it if/when it is handled poorly (which I'm willing to bet it won't be)? It'll be funny to see who actually steps up and says they were wrong after this ends up working out well...

[Supah Dave]

Hey, Pete, now that you're going to be so damn rich, can I get a full sponsorship from you?

[gmdboston]

Did you get the stickers?

[gmdboston]

Hey, Pete, now that you're going to be so damn rich, can I get a full sponsorship from you?

Sponsor this!

[Supah Dave]

Yes, I did. Thank you very much. But with the money you're going to be making now I was hoping you could now give me an 18 wheeler with 8-10 bikes, 8-10 sets of leathers and safety equipment, a full pit crew, 5 umbrella girls and a personal masseuse... C'mon, man, hook a brutha up!

[gmdboston]

Yes, I did. Thank you very much. But with the money you're going to be making now I was hoping you could now give me an 18 wheeler with 8-10 bikes, 8-10 sets of leathers and safety equipment, a full pit crew, 5 umbrella girls and a personal masseuse... C'mon, man, hook a brutha up!

Sure no problem, do you want 1/24 or 1/32 scale?

[Supah Dave]

[WebCrush]

Of course NHIS is going to make money on this.

NHIS imposes vendor fees for all those doing business at the track.

I'm sure an 'exclusive' deal like VP is getting will cost more than they have paid in the past.

The question I have is, if VP is discounting their fuel so low (to the point of cost) how are they making any money of this? I'm sure they are not doing it out of the goodness of their heart.

Sure, they are getting a lot of publicity and such, but if they can't sell their 'good' stuff and can't make any money off what they can sell--how long before the deal changes and they up the price (they are a monopoly now) or walk away altogether?

[Supah Dave]

They'll make up for the lack of profit from selling MS93 at a low profit point by making a better profit margin on C-12. They will now be buying/selling a boat load more C-12 than they used to, so their cost per drum will be less allowing them to make more of a profit per gallon. This isn't rocket science...

[TheIglu]

RTFM ( read the fucking manual)

Sorry, I thought this was the Questions/Comments thread about the manual.

I wasn't sure so I posted. Lesson learned.

[WebCrush]

They'll make up for the lack of profit from selling MS93 at a low profit point by making a better profit margin on C-12. They will now be buying/selling a boat load more C-12 than they used to, so their cost per drum will be less allowing them to make more of a profit per gallon. This isn't rocket science...

Why will they sell more C12? Its just higher octane and majority of those with built engines can run 93 without issue.

The oxygenated stuff that most top level experts use with their modded engines was only 89-91 octane, so c12 won't be required.

[gmdboston]

Of course NHIS is going to make money on this.

NHIS imposes vendor fees for all those doing business at the track.

I'm sure an 'exclusive' deal like VP is getting will cost more than they have paid in the past.

The question I have is, if VP is discounting their fuel so low (to the point of cost) how are they making any money of this? I'm sure they are not doing it out of the goodness of their heart.

Sure, they are getting a lot of publicity and such, but if they can't sell their 'good' stuff and can't make any money off what they can sell--how long before the deal changes and they up the price (they are a monopoly now) or walk away altogether?

Every one pays a Vendor fee. For most it's $500 a year to sponsor the dash for cash. I don't know what the deal for VP is, but they are also going to sponsor the dash as well as their contingency. So that "vendor fee" goes right back to the racers, not NHIS.

VP is not selling fuel at cost, it's just too small of a margin to go through the wholesale market. They have to sell direct to the racers. If you've been reading the posts (all elevendy billion of them) you will see that there is a contract with VP. It's not a monopoly, there were other choices, we chose VP. If there is a significant change in the supply chain for VP, I'm sure they will want to re-negotiate. It would only be fair to leave that option open as crude oil is a commodity and their prices are not fixed for any given period of time. The price can not change at VP's whim, only by re-negotiation.

In business, supply prices change all the time and contracts are re-negotiated on a regular basis. I have the same problems here. Everything I do is related to the petroleum market, but you don't see the retail pricing changing every day. Make no mistake, VP will make some money and so will NHIS. But to think that any one is getting rich off this is delusional.

[gmdboston]

Sorry, I thought this was the Questions/Comments thread about the manual.

I wasn't sure so I posted. Lesson learned.

Nothing personal, just most questions are answered in Eric explanation and update.

[Supah Dave]

Didn't you say that you were getting rich?!? You lied to me, damn it! So much for my umbrella girls and masseuse...