Rock Page gets reamed for "Ruining the Show" in Ohio

[OreoGaborio]

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''riders are advised to keep their line AND ALLOW THE FASTER RIDER TO PASS....... BLACK FLAGGED''.... ie, leave a window. He broke the rule.

isn't a faster ride supposed to be able to get around him. All you that race at Loundon always state 'just hold your line and be predictable and we'll get around you' NOW that is paraphrased and not exact. IF he was being consistent holding his line he did nothing wrong, IF he was altering his line to hold back the pass he's an asshole...right?????

Check out my racereport.. Or Oxx's... I was holding my line in that LWGP race, but I was picking lines that made it difficult for him to pass me even though he's a faster rider.... It works in both directions.... You can pick a hard to pass line just like an easy to pass line. The typical racing line is somewhere inbetween.... It's not easy to pass everywhere around a race track & mid-ohio has very few passing opertunities unless the pace is drastically different.

[Kurlon]

The rules say hold your line AND allow the lapping riders by... you can't just use one part of the rule, you have to evaluate the WHOLE thing.

[OreoGaborio]

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No it doesn't say ''don't change your line'', it says ''HOLD your line''. ie be predictable & don't swerve out of the way. Huge difference. And this has nothing to do with opinion so don't give me that.

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Ok, I already presented this question. What action should he take while mid turn to allow another rider to pass that will not change his line?

Hold your line. How else would you definr holding a line besides not changing it?

[Kurlon]

Section 7: Race Rules And Procedures 7.14 Flags / Lights vii. Blue Flag: Indicates to a rider that they are about to be overtaken. Riders are advised to keep their line and allow the faster rider to pass. Riders disregarding this flag may be blackflagged at the discretion of AMA Pro Racing

Mid turn? Not go 100% at the apex, run it a touch wide on exit as the lapping rider would be looking for just that?

[OreoGaborio]

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I already gave you six examples of modifying your line while still ''holding'' it.... But if you wana talk specifically mid-corner....Don't stand it up so early & hug the exit a little... Or stand it up a little early and drift it a little wide.

[OreoGaborio]

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and again, holding your line means not swerving around.

[obsolete]

Seems like it is not keeping the same inteded line therefore not holding it. I think it's not well worded then. It should state allow the rider to pass and that's it.

[Kurlon]

and again, holding your line means not swerving around.

Agreed, make yourself easy to go around by NOT blocking or doing something weird.

[OreoGaborio]

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Sorry, Alex.... It's worded perfectly fine to those that race or can interpret the terminology...

[Kurlon]

Seems like it is not keeping the same inteded line therefore not holding it. I think it's not well worded then. It should state allow the rider to pass and that's it.

By any chance did you watch the German MotoGP round? If so, you can see the difference between a front runner running a defensive, blocking line vs a fast but vulnerable to passing lines. You can also see what happens when you can't stick to a chosen line but still be predictable.

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and again, holding your line means not swerving around.

Well I would say modifying your line would consitute not holding it. Obviousley that's not the case.

[obsolete]

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Sorry, Alex.... It's worded perfectly fine to those that race or can interpret the terminology...

Well that's apparently not true by evidence in the video posted above.

[TuonoMark]

Watched the race yesterday and again this morning to pay more attention to this incident. It appears that Page picks his pace up a little bit once the leaders caught him. I remember watching it the first time thinking that he is getting in the way.. However, it's not like he was swerving all over the place trying to keep Yates behind him.

I've raced motocross since I was 6 so I do have some racing knowledge and lappers are a part of racing. Page didn't ruin anything and Yates should have made the pass before that point. All of these guys have been racing their whole lives and Yates knew that the lappers would get in the way...... They always do!!!

[OreoGaborio]

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Sorry, Alex.... It's worded perfectly fine to those that race or can interpret the terminology...

Well that's apparently not true by evidence in the video posted above.

Sorry Alex, I thought you wanted to discuss the rule, not the incident. I told you I didn't see the video, I was just answering you questions since they weren't about the vid. If this dude didn't understand the rule or just plain broke it, that's his problem & Yates'. I'm just telling you how it is.

[Sheppo]

Watched the race yesterday and again this morning to pay more attention to this incident. It appears that Page picks his pace up a little bit once the leaders caught him. I remember watching it the first time thinking that he is getting in the way.. However, it's not like he was swerving all over the place trying to keep Yates behind him.

I've raced motocross since I was 6 so I do have some racing knowledge and lappers are a part of racing. Page didn't ruin anything and Yates should have made the pass before that point. All of these guys have been racing their whole lives and Yates knew that the lappers would get in the way...... They always do!!!

EXACTLY no one wants to get lapped. When I raced cars the blue flag meant something slightly different and you WERE supposed to pull down and let a lap car past you.

[nt650hawk]

I welcome lap riders. Back markers are part of the game that makes thing interesting. I have not see the race or the clip of what happened but I believe a huge part of racing is what kind of strategy one can put together considering what is presented before the rider at that moment. Loudon does not use Blue flags. Should all slow riders ride off line all the time. I don't think so. Ride you own ride and be predictable. I don't see Jeff, Scott, Shane or Christian having difficulties. Granted traffic can come into play in determining the final outcome but that is what makes racing interesting.

If that guy wants the best race for just the two of them then just have the track shut down for the two of them. Take out ALL obstacles. Just does not seem that interesting to me.

[OreoGaborio]

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Truthfully I'm not always a fan of it either but a rule is a rule.... And the AMA has the blue flag rule.... Sometimes it makes for more exciting racing, sometimes it doesn't.

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Sorry Alex, I thought you wanted to discuss the rule, not the incident. I told you I didn't see the video, I was just answering you questions since they weren't about the vid. If this dude didn't understand the rule or just plain broke it, that's his problem & Yates'. I'm just telling you how it is.

You misssed what I quoted from you. I haven't seent he incident just the video of Page arguing.

It's not worded fine for people that race because Page is sayign the same thing I'm saying and he is a racer.

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The leaders in the dash have no trouble getting around me...... But I move off line a little when Wood/Greenwood/Narbonne/Cronin get by to allow the battle to continue. Maybe he should have slowed up a bit. Those doing passing usually have to change their line to get around someone anyways, so JRP could have held his line without a problem. Did he break the rules? Eh, I don't know. Maybe he bent them.....

[yammy644]

I actually just saw the second superbike race and they show the whole incident in slow motion before the race. It does look like Page gets on the gas really hard as the leader passes him and gets the front up. He definitely could have eased up and Yates could have shot right by. Anyway they also stated that Page got suspended for race 2 in Ohio as well as next round in Topeka. That's a bit stiff... Looks like they air the races again Thursday from 3 to 5 AM...

[Brian675]

Just something to add.

From Mat Mladin's twitter page,

Forgot to mention. Great 2 see Johnny Rock Page booted for a couple races. Should happen to all lapped riders that don't abide the blue flag6:21 PM Jul 20th from web

http://twitter.com/MatMladin

[OreoGaborio]

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Sorry Alex, I thought you wanted to discuss the rule, not the incident. I told you I didn't see the video, I was just answering you questions since they weren't about the vid. If this dude didn't understand the rule or just plain broke it, that's his problem & Yates'. I'm just telling you how it is.

You misssed what I quoted from you. I haven't seent he incident just the video of Page arguing.

It's not worded fine for people that race because Page is sayign the same thing I'm saying and he is a racer.

then he's interpreting the word ''hold'' in a way that benefits him instead of how it's supposed to be interpreted and ignoring the second half of the rule.

[TTD]

Not positive, but it appeared that someone was right behind JRP before the leaders got to him (meaning he was battling with someone).

Then in the next shot, the guy behind JRP backed way down (I assume he saw the blue flag).

So you could argue that JRP thought he was fighting for his position and therefore did not alter anything... he continued riding the normal racing line.

Crappy part was that the leader got by and Yates couldn't... just bad timing on when they caught JRP.

I imagine if JRP knew he was basically alone ... he would have backed off a notch and pulled slightly off line to allow an easy pass by the leaders.

If he knew he was alone and didn't do this... then I can see a penalty being incurred because he could have made it easier for the leaders to get by.

Otherwise, I didn't see anything that justified a penalty.

[SVRACER01]

Disclaimer: im only going by what has been said to deduce what happened.

Tony said he was "racing" someone for position. JRP gets the blue and then gets passed. the blue flag doesnt come with a # next to it. maybe when the leader came by he thought that was it..just 1 person. whats he supposed to do? look back and see whats going on behind him? then possibly lose a position to the person he was originally racing? i rarely look back. if youre lapping me then you are obviously faster and should have no issues getting by me without me having to do a thing to assist you. blue flag rule says keep doing what your doing but prepare to have you doors blown off. i also interpret that to mean if youre in a safe place to look back and get out of the way then do so, ie: straightaway.

maybe racebikes should come with mirrors.