Shiver in LWSS?

[OreoGaborio]

The only plus for the older SS is you should be able to find well sorted ready to race examples used for far cheaper than it'll cost to setup a new Monster

That's how I see it as well.

If I had the cash, I wouldn't mind hopping on the Woodcraft/Penguin/Ducati Monster Racer program they've got goin.

[Lucas]

That's how I see it as well.

If I had the cash, I wouldn't mind hopping on the Woodcraft/Penguin/Ducati Monster Racer program they've got goin.

thats what im thinking, not that i would be competitive enough to recoup any contingencies anyways

i would like to see what the bike looks like in race trim tho.

[Kurlon]

thats what im thinking, not that i would be competitive enough to recoup any contingencies anyways

i would like to see what the bike looks like in race trim tho.

Someone's got to have some shots of the Monsters Penguin rented last year?

[Lucas]

i did find this on ducatiUSA.com

Penguin Racing school takes rental bike and beat’s multi time club champion! Jeff Wood of the Penguin Racing School had a successful debut on his Ducati Monster 696 during the LRRS races at New Hampshire Motor Speedway on Labor Day weekend. The Penguin School has been using the 696 as an instructor machine for the past year and the staff has found it to be a surprisingly capable machine.

"When we first got the Monsters in we knew that they were a great street bike", said Penguin Advanced Instructor Eric Wood, "but we were really surprised how well they reacted to being ridden hard out on the racetrack. The strength of the chassis on the Monster made it the best handling air-cooled Ducati we had ridden to date and prompted us to build a race bike out of it".

The modifications to the bike consisted of engine preparation performed by Seacoast Sport Cycle and a set of factory Ducati Termignoni slip-ons. Woodcraft rear sets, frame sliders and axle sliders were added and GMD Computrack set the bike up with a Penske Shock and revalved forks. All else on the bike was 100% stock.

Jeff started off racing in the GTL class and had a race long duel with Rick Doucette, a Suzuki SV650 rider with nearly 40 LRRS championships. The naked Monster 696 had more than enough power to match the SV down the straights, and Jeff got the chassis dialed in well for the highly technical Loudon track. Jeff won a hard fought battle and at the end of the race hung on to win by just under 2 seconds.

Between races Peter Kates from GMD Computrack made some adjustments to the forks to give Jeff better feel on the brakes. Jeff went on to handily win the Ultralightweight Superbike Race, a class that is build perfectly for the 696. After the race Jeff commented "I was really happy with the bike at the end of the day. After only one round of adjustments we had the chassis working nearly perfectly....it turned very well and offered really good feedback. I think that this will make a great race bike for anyone looking to enter the lightweight class for next season".


Jeff went on to handily win the Ultralightweight Superbike Race, a class that is build perfectly for the 696.

696 is ULW?

[Kurlon]

696 is ULW?

Yup, so is the M796, which I think may have more in common with Jeff's motor that Seacoast prepped than the M696...

[Lucas]

i think i had myself confused thinking that an sv650 is LW. they are ULW correct?

[OreoGaborio]

not in LRRS.

[Lucas]

not in LRRS.

just saw the note at the bottom

[Kurlon]

For LRRS:

ULTRA-LIGHTWEIGHT SUPERBIKE (Novice, Amateur & Expert Divisions)
Single cylinder, unlimited displacement, unlimited frame
Two stroke, liquid cooled, up to 375cc
Two stroke, air cooled, unlimited displacement
Twin cylinder, air cooled, non-desmodromic valves up to 900cc
Twin cylinder, air cooled, desmodromic valves, up to 805cc
Twin cylinder, liquid cooled, up to 650cc.
Twin cylinder, liquid cooled, non-desmodronic valves,
pre-1999 model year,up to 800cc
Three cylinder, air cooled, non-fuel injected, up to 900cc
Four cylinder, liquid cooled, pre-1987 model year, up to 570cc
Four cylinder, liquid cooled, 1987 to 1992 model year, up to 500cc
Four cylinder, air cooled, up to 750cc
Harley-Davidson Sportsters of unlimited displacement
Note: Two stroke GP machines such as TZ 125 and RS 125 etc.
are excluded from Ulytralight Superbike.
NOTE: Twin cylinder, liquid cooled up to 650cc are excluded from this class at Loudon

For 2011 CCS has announced that it's dropping the GP exclusion from a few classes, including ULSB. LRRS hasn't announced if it's adopting that change or not AFAIK.

[SVRACER01]

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It doesn't say what a post 99 twin cylinder liquid cooled CC limits are.

Do EXs race in ULSB?

[Kurlon]

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It doesn't say what a post 99 twin cylinder liquid cooled CC limits are.

Do EXs race in ULSB?

Sure it does, there are two lines:

Twin cylinder, liquid cooled, up to 650cc.

Twin cylinder, liquid cooled, non-desmodronic valves,
pre-1999 model year,up to 800cc

LRRS adds "NOTE: Twin cylinder, liquid cooled up to 650cc are excluded from this class at Loudon" which means to be legal as a liquid cooled twin, you've got to be pre 1999 model year, AND bigger than 650cc. Stock bore Hawks are not legal, Gino will have to give back all his wood from last year.

[nt650hawk]

That's how I see it as well.

If I had the cash, I wouldn't mind hopping on the Woodcraft/Penguin/Ducati Monster Racer program they've got goin.

ECK Racing rocking monsters????

i did find this on ducatiUSA.com

Penguin Racing school takes rental bike and beat’s multi time club champion! Jeff Wood of the Penguin Racing School had a successful debut on his Ducati Monster 696 during the LRRS races at New Hampshire Motor Speedway on Labor Day weekend. The Penguin School has been using the 696 as an instructor machine for the past year and the staff has found it to be a surprisingly capable machine.

"When we first got the Monsters in we knew that they were a great street bike", said Penguin Advanced Instructor Eric Wood, "but we were really surprised how well they reacted to being ridden hard out on the racetrack. The strength of the chassis on the Monster made it the best handling air-cooled Ducati we had ridden to date and prompted us to build a race bike out of it".

The modifications to the bike consisted of engine preparation performed by Seacoast Sport Cycle and a set of factory Ducati Termignoni slip-ons. Woodcraft rear sets, frame sliders and axle sliders were added and GMD Computrack set the bike up with a Penske Shock and revalved forks. All else on the bike was 100% stock.

Jeff started off racing in the GTL class and had a race long duel with Rick Doucette, a Suzuki SV650 rider with nearly 40 LRRS championships. The naked Monster 696 had more than enough power to match the SV down the straights, and Jeff got the chassis dialed in well for the highly technical Loudon track. Jeff won a hard fought battle and at the end of the race hung on to win by just under 2 seconds.

Between races Peter Kates from GMD Computrack made some adjustments to the forks to give Jeff better feel on the brakes. Jeff went on to handily win the Ultralightweight Superbike Race, a class that is build perfectly for the 696. After the race Jeff commented "I was really happy with the bike at the end of the day. After only one round of adjustments we had the chassis working nearly perfectly....it turned very well and offered really good feedback. I think that this will make a great race bike for anyone looking to enter the lightweight class for next season".


Jeff went on to handily win the Ultralightweight Superbike Race, a class that is build perfectly for the 696.

696 is ULW?

What they did not tell you was. the green flag drops and he is sitting on the bike with his arms folded
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I realed him in at the end on 45 Hp worth of Hawk GT
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It doesn't say what a post 99 twin cylinder liquid cooled CC limits are.

Do EXs race in ULSB?

Yes. and the can modify them.

Sure it does, there are two lines:

Twin cylinder, liquid cooled, up to 650cc.

Twin cylinder, liquid cooled, non-desmodronic valves,
pre-1999 model year,up to 800cc

LRRS adds "NOTE: Twin cylinder, liquid cooled up to 650cc are excluded from this class at Loudon" which means to be legal as a liquid cooled twin, you've got to be pre 1999 model year, AND bigger than 650cc.

Stock bore Hawks are not legal, Gino will have to give back all his wood from last year.

Shoot. i was not big enough. The should have given me a lap advantage.




Hawk 88-91 and I could go to 800cc.

[jtaylor719]

His 1:27 was probably me doing my famous bottlneck impression.

He pulled out to pass me on the outside of T12 and we drag raced until I chickened out on the brakes. He probably doesn't use them unless he's on a 600 or bigger anyway....

[Kurlon]

Shoot. i was not big enough. The should have given me a lap advantage.

Throw a kit on that bitch.

[Lucas]

Kindof want one of these now.

[Paul_E_D]

Are we looking at the Moriwaki, or a 125? The Moriwaki is underpowered, but *supposedly* tunable to be competitive with a 125. The 125 just plain kicks ass. If you get serious about that, let me know. I have a little experience with the 125.

[SVRACER01]

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It doesn't say what a post 99 twin cylinder liquid cooled CC limits are.

Do EXs race in ULSB?

Sure it does, there are two lines:

Twin cylinder, liquid cooled, up to 650cc.

Twin cylinder, liquid cooled, non-desmodronic valves,
pre-1999 model year,up to 800cc

LRRS adds "NOTE: Twin cylinder, liquid cooled up to 650cc are excluded from this class at Loudon" which means to be legal as a liquid cooled twin, you've got to be pre 1999 model year, AND bigger than 650cc. Stock bore Hawks are not legal, Gino will have to give back all his wood from last year.

No, that's not correct. Pre 99 LC twins non desmo can be any size up to 800 ccs, so a stock hawk would be fine.

The rule of: LC twins up to 650 is excluded from peed to keep SVs out. But what about something like an 01 ex500? It's a liquid cooled twin and post 99.
Do EXs race in ULSB?

[Lucas]

Are we looking at the Moriwaki, or a 125? The Moriwaki is underpowered, but *supposedly* tunable to be competitive with a 125. The 125 just plain kicks ass. If you get serious about that, let me know. I have a little experience with the 125.

That's the new Honda NRS250 or now called NSF250R? Not sure what availability will be like

[Paul_E_D]

That's the Moriwaki bike. Contact Rising Sun Cycles for info. If Steve doesn't sell them, he can point you to the right place.

[CBR929RE]

What they did not tell you was. the green flag drops and he is sitting on the bike with his arms folded
Monster
01:25.433
01:17.596
01:16.578
01:16.436
01:16.393
01:27.387
01:22.634
01:20.028

I realed him in at the end on 45 Hp worth of Hawk GT
01:23.736
01:20.913
01:20.557
01:20.066
01:20.402
01:19.675
01:19.445
01:19.986

was that at the Oct weekend? I was over by the tunnel/1a area watching. so funny to see everyone go then see him bringing up the rear far behind everyone. and then just dominate.

[Kurlon]

No, that's not correct. Pre 99 LC twins non desmo can be any size up to 800 ccs, so a stock hawk would be fine.

The rule of: LC twins up to 650 is excluded from peed to keep SVs out. But what about something like an 01 ex500? It's a liquid cooled twin and post 99.
Do EXs race in ULSB?

I'll go so far as agree that's how the rule is intended and enforced, but it's not what's written in the rule book.

[Kenn157]

Well basically I'm looking at buying a new bike that will eventually be a track only bike to fit in the LW class. Some bikes I was looking at were the shiver and sv650/gladius.

what are the most competitive bikes in the LW class?

Here ya go...

[SVRACER01]

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No, that's not correct. Pre 99 LC twins non desmo can be any size up to 800 ccs, so a stock hawk would be fine.

The rule of: LC twins up to 650 is excluded from peed to keep SVs out. But what about something like an 01 ex500? It's a liquid cooled twin and post 99.
Do EXs race in ULSB?

I'll go so far as agree that's how the rule is intended and enforced, but it's not what's written in the rule book.

Which rule? The post 99 one?
The lrrs exclusion of allowing 650 LC twins is precisely for keeping the SVs and the ENs out of ULSB.
CCS around the country allows SVs in ULSB, just not lrrs.

The pre 99 rule is worded correctly.

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It still doesn't tell me if a EX500 would be allowed if it was post 99.

[CBR929RE]

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It still doesn't tell me if a EX500 would be allowed if it was post 99.

does it matter. buy one from 88-99 and you have pretty much the same bike as a post 99 anyway. just the older you go the less money you get to spend.