Stirring the Pot, DMG walks hat-in-hand to the West Coast...

[a13x]

it's dmg, the promoters, the teams and the manufacturers that are the joke. the racers are still top notch and they did the best they could with what they were given.

Really the teams? The promoters? The manufacturers?


How many people do you know that work for race teams? I'm sure they'd love to hear your reasons (myself included) why they are a joke? How about the promoters, do you know many of them? Can you site some examples? The OEMs? Rather broad and insulting brush you are painting with there considering.

DMG hasn't been perfect this year and I'm not a DMG apologist. You want change well:

- No rolling starts for 2010
- No pace bike / car for 2010
- Pace car removed partway thru 2009 season
- Tape delayed TV removed partway thru 2009 season
- Live race feed installed (at race only issue) part way thru season in 2009

There's a few that I can publically point out. There are more that I can't as they are still in the works for 2010.


I still love how everyone freaks out over the Buell racing 600's but week in and week out we race Ducati 800's VS Hawk 650's VS Suzuki 450's VS Aprillia 250's VS Kawasaki 500's. It's not a fucking 600cc class, when will everyone wake up and realize that. How about the Daytona 675? Ducati 848? Aprillia 1000? All in Daytona Sportbike as well guys.


DMG IMO fucked some shit up, nailed some stuff, and were handed a economic crisis on top of it all. Overall the 2009 season went much better than many many of us in the paddock were expecting at Daytona.

[a13x]

From the absolute embarrassment that went down during Laguna, where the world-class guys were literally laughing and shaking their heads in uncomfortable embarrassment, to the JRP incident, to the pace car, to... to... you really can't sit there and say it's a squeaky wheel or "that one laughing stock of the paddock."

Hell even Spies who by all accounts is a pretty easy going dude (at least off the track), pretty much said flat out he was relieved to have gotten out when he could, and felt awful for everyone back trying to race amidst all of it. Mladin's outspoken too, and while I loathe the man, he has a lot of valid arguments... as does Schwantz, who ripped DMG to shreds not to long ago. Schwantz is probably the starkest example, I have absolutely nothing but mad respect for the guy, all he does is smile and try to help everyone out, starting with the kids.

Scott really. Look who you've used as examples. Spies, Mladin, and Schwantz. Each and everyone of them Rockstar Makita Suzuki guys, the team that had the most to lose by the DMG rule changes. What other riders have made the most anti-2009 DMG/rules noise this year? Hacking? Who else? Notice 99% of the guys railling against the new bike rules are Old School guys who've been sucking from the factory teet for years?

Where are your quotes and examples from the privateer guys? Yates? May? Fillmore? Fong? Bazazz? Rapp? Barry at Celtic? Shoot even BBoz has said the new rules are good.

Yea again, DMG has fucked up some major shit. I was actually in the press room at Laguna when that crap was going down. Trust me it sucked. There were a number of things implemented for 2009 that the paddock couldn't wait to go away. The pace car and rolling starts being the two biggest.

Do you wanna talk track safety? Much was made of Topeka and New Jersey and the horrid safety at the tracks. Well the fact was when the guys got out there they found the tracks to be acceptable for AMA racing especially compared to other AMA tracks. Were they GP-level tracks, no, but they weren't the deathtraps they were made out to be by some press.

I would really hate to see the day when Yamaha / Suzuki / whatever is just a sticker on a cookie cutter bike.

Don't hold your breath on this one.



All I know is for YEARS AND YEARS everyone bitched about the joke AMA Pro Racing was as it was fully under the control of the OEMs. 4 main classes, each producing a 'champion' from one of the OEMs. Rules that catered to the factory teams. Special tires for some. etc etc. Now we have a management in place that wants to make it so MORE TEAMS can enter winning bikes meaning more riders and more jobs for people like me. Did they bite off more than they could chew to start, did they make some ill-advised rule changes in procedure, did they get hit with a crazy recession? YES YES and YES.

However I think it will only get better for the racers and teams as it progresses.

[scottieducati]

I hope you're right man.

Just a note, Spies *was* a RM Suzuki guy.... he's not anymore, and why would he care about any BS politics of the team? He's in way, way greener pastures now.

No comment on the LOL let's toss a parts bin special and race it in a homologation class Buell?

I hear what you're saying about more teams with a chance of winning, but I don't watch racing because I'm holding out for the underdog. I watch racing to see the best guys on the best machines duke it out. Even in WSBK, it's what, 5, 6 guys with a shot race in and race out? There SHOULD be top teams and top riders on top equipment.

I still struggle to see the rationale behind making completely separate rules from what the rest of the world runs, BSB is very, very similar to WSBK spec, hence you can see their guys actually RACE as privateers in the UK rounds. When was the last time you saw a competitive American wild card entry in WBSK?!? Certainly not in the past few years, that's for sure.

[butcher bergs]

- No rolling starts for 2010
- No pace bike / car for 2010
- Pace car removed partway thru 2009 season
- Tape delayed TV removed partway thru 2009 season
- Live race feed installed (at race only issue) part way thru season in 2009

These ideas initially came from an assumption, at best, that THESE THINGS are what motorcycle racing is about because it's exactly like oval track auto racing, as we all know. However, you mistakenly point out the biggest issue, change will be seen too little too late in 2010.

So what's going to cost more for DMG, listening in the first place or scrambling to make changes after everyone has said "I told ya so"?

DMG didn't want to listen to anyone from the get-go...you know, listen to people who might have some experience with this stuff or perhaps the viewing public and the result is now they are waking up and realizing it, albeit after the majority of the fanbase, some riders and a few of the manufacturers have already been pissed off to the point of saying fuggit....that is where my joke comment came from.

[daviid]

as much as i dont care for the bs politics of it, my experience with DMG has been

Emailed Al Luddington to find out if Pre 2009 bikes were legal. got a response back in 1 hour
Emailed Roger Edmondson a gripe about MotoGT licene issues. ($300 for a license, if you buy it at race 1 or 8. and they both expire at the same time), cited other organizations handled it. Received a response within a half hour on race day at topeka saying no one has brought it up before and they will be working on a solution.

[Pittenger5]

Alex can you tell them to rename the classes so I can figure out what the fuck Im watching?
And by watching I mean, not watching since I dont get speed.

[ff36buell]

Yeah, lets cry about the "parts bin special" buell racing in the superbike class that was down 20 hp on most of the field.... boo hoo.... a 6th and 8th in Jersey on an undeveloped machine.... I just can't wait for next year

and Alex well said on your points, nice to have someone "in the know"

[rg500]

I don't give a flying fuck what political bullshit is going on off the race track, what few races I did get to see this year were awesome.

I agree.

I also agree with Alex. I like seeing privateers, and up and comers do well. I think it is great that DMG is trying to create a separate identity for US roadracing. I have no interest in watching the same team win year after year. If you want to see the OEM/Factory squads dominate there is plenty of that in WSBK, BSB, and Motogp. The factory dominance and the cost of competing is strangling Motogp, so they are taking extreme measures to cut costs. Full grids of competitive machines/riders make for great racing. 5 or 6 top guys and a field of backmarkers is not that exciting to watch. I love watching motogp, but to be honest the 125 and 250 races have been way more interesting/exciting to watch.

Growing pains are part of change, and I think it is pretty unrealistic to expect DMG to nail it right out of the gate.

[OreoGaborio]

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It's really cool to see a whole new field this year... Lotta fresh faces out there

[Pittenger5]

Most of this is because its the cool thing to do to bash DMG. How many of the big arguments affect the racing and/or make a HUGE difference? And how much is petty shit we use to bash DMG?
Rolling starts? Dumb, but who cares
Pace car? Dumb, riders missed flags, turned into a bad situation, dont see why red flags arent used?
JRP? Idiot, every sport has them, suspend him, move on. Edmundson (or whoever) was a douche for how he acted, but cmon like JRP didnt know a camera was there and altered his behavior to look like the good guy?
TV deal, sucks royally since I cant see it. Would I watch it anyway? Probably not. I've watched like 3 races this year between WSBK, MotoGP and AMA. Its in the summer, Id rather be out riding than watching, and by the time Id get around to watch it, youve seen results everywhere. Id be more inclined to watch AMA however if they focused on other people even a little bit. Ive glanced through races trying to see Jeff and Shane and Christian cause why not. I wanna see the locals do good. I dont care bout Mladin and Hayes and Eslick and all them. Same reason I dont watch much sports except the local teams.

[BMFR6]

Really the teams? The promoters? The manufacturers?


How many people do you know that work for race teams? I'm sure they'd love to hear your reasons (myself included) why they are a joke? How about the promoters, do you know many of them? Can you site some examples? The OEMs? Rather broad and insulting brush you are painting with there considering.

DMG hasn't been perfect this year and I'm not a DMG apologist. You want change well:

- No rolling starts for 2010
- No pace bike / car for 2010
- Pace car removed partway thru 2009 season
- Tape delayed TV removed partway thru 2009 season
- Live race feed installed (at race only issue) part way thru season in 2009

There's a few that I can publically point out. There are more that I can't as they are still in the works for 2010.


I still love how everyone freaks out over the Buell racing 600's but week in and week out we race Ducati 800's VS Hawk 650's VS Suzuki 450's VS Aprillia 250's VS Kawasaki 500's. It's not a fucking 600cc class, when will everyone wake up and realize that. How about the Daytona 675? Ducati 848? Aprillia 1000? All in Daytona Sportbike as well guys.


DMG IMO fucked some shit up, nailed some stuff, and were handed a economic crisis on top of it all. Overall the 2009 season went much better than many many of us in the paddock were expecting at Daytona.

You're right, I don't know everyone in the industry and I don't have all the inside info; I'm just the fan that is expected to travel to the race and spend my money there. I'll retract my opinion and get in line with all the other fans waiting for the industry people to tell us how much we don't know and how good the series really is.

Yes, DMG has made some changes but really most of them are inadequate or too late. Okay, we all agree rolling starts suck; why did they keep them around until next season? Pace car/bike, again, when they discovered it was a bad idea why not get rid of it then and there instead of keeping it around until the last third of the season endangering riders? The TV package is still crap. Sure the racing has been great, but you have to stay up all night to see it and even then you are only going to see the sportbike race and one superbike race. I can catch both WSBK races at primetime and the GP races in the afternoon.

Regarding the Buell, whatever. It's been allowed and it is what it is. Regarding your argument, who cares what we fit into classes at NHMS; it's club racing. It's set up so that anyone who has a bike can come up and race it. We do it for fun. DMG is running PROFESSIONAL RACE SERIES, I'd expect them to attempt to keep a level playing field.

Economic crisis? Yeah, we all understand that but there are two things that you can/should do when times are tight; cut expenses and find ways to generate more revenue. So far (and GP is doing the same thing) all anyone talks about is cutting expenses, how about all the wizards that are "in the know" figure out ways to bring in some more money. Let me help you get started, stop showing me commercials during a DMG race that advertise DMG races. I already know that there is motorcycle racing in the US, I don't need to be reminded. Play those commercials in arenas where you might spark interest from people that don't currently watch. Why not create a documentary for the discovery channel or something that talks about the sport and the technology involved? I have nothing to do with aircraft carriers, but I'll watch a show on them to see what they are all about.

How about DMG gets proactive in promoting/defending their series? Where is the response from DMG regarding the article from the paddock joke? Every point in his article could be 105% wrong, but if I didn't sign on to this board and see your opinion, how would I know?

[daviid]

also as far as speed goes


The channel which eventually became Speed Channel was launched on New Year's Day 1996, by Roger L. Werner Jr., E. Roger Williams, Nickolas Rhodes and Robert Scanlon under the name Speedvision. Ownership included Cox Communications, Continental Cable and AT&T. Under their management, Speedvision became the fastest growing cable network of all time while delivering the highest male viewing audience per household of any cable or broadcast network in existence.

In the summer of 2001, Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation purchased one-third of Speedvision. In August 2001, they negotiated to acquire the stakes owned by Cox and Comcast, thus giving them majority ownership. Fox leveraged the network as a negotiating tool for NASCAR television rights which were split with NBC. The plan was to morph the channel into a 24-hour NASCAR network. This plan was ultimately shelved in the fall due to Fox management's unwillingness to place NASCAR races on the channel.

On February 11, 2002 at 7:59 p.m. ET, Speedvision relaunched as Speed Channel. The first program of the new format was a special launch show and 2002 NASCAR preview focusing on Speedweeks 2002. News Corp.'s Fox had a year-old relationship as a NASCAR broadcaster, many NASCAR shows began airing on Speed Channel, a move that was unpopular with some of the network's viewers. However, with the increased NASCAR programming, viewership is at all-time highs, with the channel being added to many regular cable lineups

blahblahblah

Speed made news with the 2005 firing of network president Jim Liberatore, who had been with the network since FOX bought it in 2001 when it was still Speedvision, reportedly because Liberatore had wanted to reduce the number of NASCAR-related shows on the network, and the network brass wanted more NASCAR-related programming. Liberatore is now attempting to start a new network called The Racing Network, which will be closer to the original Speedvision.

[SVRACER01]

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also as far as speed goes


The channel which eventually became Speed Channel was launched on New Year's Day 1996, by Roger L. Werner Jr., E. Roger Williams, Nickolas Rhodes and Robert Scanlon under the name Speedvision. Ownership included Cox Communications, Continental Cable and AT&T. Under their management, Speedvision became the fastest growing cable network of all time while delivering the highest male viewing audience per household of any cable or broadcast network in existence.

In the summer of 2001, Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation purchased one-third of Speedvision. In August 2001, they negotiated to acquire the stakes owned by Cox and Comcast, thus giving them majority ownership. Fox leveraged the network as a negotiating tool for NASCAR television rights which were split with NBC. The plan was to morph the channel into a 24-hour NASCAR network. This plan was ultimately shelved in the fall due to Fox management's unwillingness to place NASCAR races on the channel.

On February 11, 2002 at 7:59 p.m. ET, Speedvision relaunched as Speed Channel. The first program of the new format was a special launch show and 2002 NASCAR preview focusing on Speedweeks 2002. News Corp.'s Fox had a year-old relationship as a NASCAR broadcaster, many NASCAR shows began airing on Speed Channel, a move that was unpopular with some of the network's viewers. However, with the increased NASCAR programming, viewership is at all-time highs, with the channel being added to many regular cable lineups

blahblahblah

Speed made news with the 2005 firing of network president Jim Liberatore, who had been with the network since FOX bought it in 2001 when it was still Speedvision, reportedly because Liberatore had wanted to reduce the number of NASCAR-related shows on the network, and the network brass wanted more NASCAR-related programming. Liberatore is now attempting to start a new network called The Racing Network, which will be closer to the original Speedvision.

Thanl god. i miss watching swamp buggies and lawnmower racing and WRC...does any one even air WRC anymore?

[KawiSmurf]

Thanl god. i miss watching swamp buggies and lawnmower racing and WRC...does any one even air WRC anymore?

for obscure motorsports, especially WRC. There used to be entire programming blocks dedicated to it.


I also miss Victory by Design, with Alain de Cadenet...fun show, but I haven't seen it on SPEED in ages.

[brady]

How about DMG gets proactive in promoting/defending their series? Where is the response from DMG regarding the article from the paddock joke? Every point in his article could be 105% wrong, but if I didn't sign on to this board and see your opinion, how would I know?

Dean Adams has turned into such a raving old nutball that I think DMG has given up listening to him. No use trying to be rational with an irrational person. Reading his material now is like listening to an ignorant, senile, drunk person whining about a long lost love in the middle of the night.

I have to wonder what so pissed him off that he must continually embarrass himself with childish rants on what used to be his very informative website.

[daviid]

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Thanl god. i miss watching swamp buggies and lawnmower racing and WRC...does any one even air WRC anymore?

i used to watch WRC all the time, now that they dont ever play i havent seen in years

[a13x]

No comment on the LOL let's toss a parts bin special and race it in a homologation class Buell?

The wording/handling of the whole Buell 1125RR situation was poor, the intent and reality thou were not. That being the Buell 1125RR was not going to come into ASB and decimate. It put two more bikes on the grid and gave two riders (West and Knapp) a job for a few races. That's not a bad thing Scott. While you are at it why don't you talk about the Ducati 1098R running a kit swingarm and motor parts that the I4's couldn't run? Same reason. To put another OEM in position to compete while not making it a overdog.

I watch racing to see the best guys on the best machines duke it out. Even in WSBK, it's what, 5, 6 guys with a shot race in and race out? There SHOULD be top teams and top riders on top equipment.

I still struggle to see the rationale behind making completely separate rules from what the rest of the world runs, BSB is very, very similar to WSBK spec, hence you can see their guys actually RACE as privateers in the UK rounds. When was the last time you saw a competitive American wild card entry in WBSK?!? Certainly not in the past few years, that's for sure.

You are watching the best guys? What's the problem? You are watching the best racers in the United States battle it out every week, so I fail to see why that's a issue.

Best machines? You are seeing the best machines. You are seeing the best machines possible under AMA rules. Our 2009 ASB's were still way cooler than your local club racers GSX-R 1000 man. If you want to see the very best machines then I guess MotoGP is your only option.

Why do I keep seeing people get hung up on WSBK rules. The reality is the American Superbike paddock cannot support WSBK rules. We don't have the money right now. Shit dude, last year with the economy in full swing there were only 7-8 2008 Superbikes, the rest were 2008 Superstock bikes. You think adopting WSBK rules which make the bikes even tricker than 2008-AMA Superbikes is going to make things better?

Do you really notice a difference watching American Superbike 2009 compared to 2008 in how the bikes perform on track? Really? When the laptimes are 1 second off at most, so maybe .1 second slower per corner? Come on man.

Why haven't you seen any good USA Wildcards? Because prior to 2009 every single AMA Team/Rider was under contract to Dunlop tires and WSBK runs Pirelli's. The reason Hacking got the Wildcard ride this year is because Dunlop is now the spec-AMA tire, meaning the individual teams/riders aren't beholden to them. On that note that's also a huge reason why, teams are very loath to build a WSBK spec bike and throw Pirelli's on it, a tire they have zero data for, and go run around in front of the world 'just for fun'. Where is the practicality of that? You want to point fingers at someone for taking American Wildcards out of WSBK then go point them at the Flammini brothers and Pirelli. Really though big whoopee.

These ideas initially came from an assumption, at best, that THESE THINGS are what motorcycle racing is about because it's exactly like oval track auto racing, as we all know. However, you mistakenly point out the biggest issue, change will be seen too little too late in 2010.

Yea I already said they royally fucked some shit up. Fail to see what I 'mistakenly pointed out' though. How is it 'too little too late' for those rule changes to take effect in 2010?

Alex can you tell them to rename the classes so I can figure out what the fuck Im watching?

Richie 2009 is easier than 2008. In layman's terms its:

2008- Supersport (600), Formula Extreme(600+), Superstock(1000), Superbike (1000+)
2009- American Superbike (1000+) and Daytona Sportbike (600+)

You're right, I don't know everyone in the industry and I don't have all the inside info; I'm just the fan that is expected to travel to the race and spend my money there. I'll retract my opinion and get in line with all the other fans waiting for the industry people to tell us how much we don't know and how good the series really is.

Oh jesus dude. On one hand you ask me "Hey Alex what's the inside scoop on next year, this guy, that race" then in the other you're adopting an indignant tone and portraying me as insulting the Regular Joe fan when I give you exactly that, a insiders viewpoint? Can't have your cake and eat it too man.

Okay, we all agree rolling starts suck; why did they keep them around until next season? Pace car/bike, again, when they discovered it was a bad idea why not get rid of it then and there instead of keeping it around until the last third of the season endangering riders?

I'm not entirely sure but have my guess. That being sometimes in life you make decisions and have to see them through, the rolling start being a example of this. 3/4 of the way through the year you get to the point where you go 'hey this idea isn't really working out' so you see it out for the last 1/4 and make the change for the future. This really isn't so horrible.

The Pace Car went away halfway thru so how can you gripe about that? The pace bike was put into place but that didn't affect races at all. Red Flags reverted back to the 2008-Rules and the pace bike was just used on the rolling start warm-up lap. So yea...

The TV package is still crap. Sure the racing has been great, but you have to stay up all night to see it and even then you are only going to see the sportbike race and one superbike race. I can catch both WSBK races at primetime and the GP races in the afternoon.

You should email SpeedTV your concerns and perhaps all of your friends as well. Ask them to start recording the races, watching them on TV, and even emailing SpeedTV as well. This one falls squarely on OUR shoulders. The original AMA Pro Primetime tape-delayed thing failed so it went back to same-day coverage, and then the ratings dropped even more? This is not a DMG-only issue.

Regarding the Buell, whatever. It's been allowed and it is what it is. Regarding your argument, who cares what we fit into classes at NHMS; it's club racing. It's set up so that anyone who has a bike can come up and race it. We do it for fun. DMG is running PROFESSIONAL RACE SERIES, I'd expect them to attempt to keep a level playing field.

Funny the 2009 Rulebook is setup so, like club racing, more teams have the ability to compete and field a competitive machine. Do you know how much a 2008 Superbike cost? Over $120,000 in parts, just parts (that is if you could buy them). Do you know how much you could build a 2009 Superbike for? Roughly $50,000-60,000 with electronics, even less without. Shit you can buy Jeff Wood's 2008 GSX-R1000 fresh off the second row at VIR for $15,000 and have a ball.

DMG has been keeping a level playing field. There were 6 brands competing in DSB that all ran equal laptimes and 6 in ASB as well. How much more level do you want it?

Economic crisis? Yeah, we all understand that but there are two things that you can/should do when times are tight; cut expenses and find ways to generate more revenue. So far (and GP is doing the same thing) all anyone talks about is cutting expenses,

Cut expenses? You mean like making racebikes more affordable (already went over this), a spec-fuel doing away with $50/gallon VP, or limiting testing dates?

Done done and done with more on the way for 2010.

how about all the wizards that are "in the know" figure out ways to bring in some more money. Let me help you get started, stop showing me commercials during a DMG race that advertise DMG races. I already know that there is motorcycle racing in the US, I don't need to be reminded. Play those commercials in arenas where you might spark interest from people that don't currently watch. Why not create a documentary for the discovery channel or something that talks about the sport and the technology involved? I have nothing to do with aircraft carriers, but I'll watch a show on them to see what they are all about.

What is this fantasy land? Come on man I can't even respond to this sort of shit. I do know, and everyone who follows the sport should know, that DMG's #1 Priority was making some better racing, which they felt would lead to better TV, better attendance, and better participation. Again the ON-TRACK racing has been really really good for 2009 and the met that goal. The other things will come.

Everyone (ie: Deano) kept mentioning how little vendors were at the races this year, DMG's fault of course. Ah no, I actually know a number of those vendors (Jen's even worked for one) and the reason they aren't coming to the races is because NO ONE IS BUYING SHIT. New Jersey had a million fans and still one of the vendors I talked to (who sells high end product) was struggling because he hadn't sold shit. It's tough to pay $1,000-2,000 vendor fee, $5,000 at Laguna (which is controlled by the track, not DMG), fly staff out, pay staff, put staff in hotels, spend $5,000 just in that, and then sell $4,000 worth of product. Hey guess what, you just lost money.


Last point: I'm on this motorcycle board and quite a few others (a diehard fan if you will), and one thing I notice is we all think we are the people that fill the stands. Well after going to every race in 2009 and a whole bunch in 2006-2008 I'll tell you that we are not. Here are some neat questions I was asked by 'average' fans this year.

1) A large amount of people though the radiator overflow bottle on Yates' bike was for him to take drinks out of during the race. This bottle was tucked into the fairing just above the radiator

2) Two fans at New Jersey, older guys who were riders themselves of a European brand bikes, kept referring to the Aprillia 1000cc V-Twin as a Ducati when it went by, then needed my help pointing out the Buell as it thundered by surrounded by 600's. Hrm.

3) A whole fucking shitload of fans at every race asking what the knobby tires on our racebikes were for. The knobby tires being rains, which we keep on the B-bike.

4) 9 out of 10 people I'd point out the traction control adjustment knob asking 'what is traction control' then staring blankly at me as I explained it

5) Those same 9 out of 10 not knowing what a quick shifter is for

6) etc etc etc


Point is while we, the hardcore fans, do make up a nice chunk of the fanbase, we are, IMO, not the majority when it comes to at race attendance. The majority of fans I've run into are folks that like bikes, want to see some good races, and have a nice day at the track. Take it for what it's worth, but it def makes you think.

[Pittenger5]

Richie 2009 is easier than 2008. In layman's terms its:

2008- Supersport (600), Formula Extreme(600+), Superstock(1000), Superbike (1000+)
2009- American Superbike (1000+) and Daytona Sportbike (600+)

So whats DSB? Moto-GT, Moto-ST, Moto-Ritchie, whatever.
Im just confused as to what races are being shown and of course they never explain it on speed.

[a13x]

Oh did anyone else notice that post-Topeka Superbike Planet ran like 10 photos of the emtpy stands and made a HUGE point to say no one was there, what a joke, etc etc.

Did anyone else notice that he ran ONE photo of the crowd at New Jersey and downplay it's size in the caption. Was something like 'a nice crowd here at New Jersey' and showed fans lining a fence with a Port-a-John in the middle.

Both venues were new for 2009. Both subjected to selective journalism that was skew a reader's perception as to what the reality was if they didn't attend the races personally.

That's a joke.

[a13x]

So whats DSB? Moto-GT, Moto-ST, Moto-Ritchie, whatever.
Im just confused as to what races are being shown and of course they never explain it on speed.

ASB - American Superbike
DSB - Daytona Sportbike
SS - Supersport
Moto-GT


ASB = Heavyweight high horsepower bikes like the GSXR-1000 and Ducati 1098R
DSB = Middleweight bikes like the Honda CBR600 and Buell 1125R. A mixed motorcycle class based on a performance index.
SS = Kid's Class, mainly all 600cc I4's with a age restriction 16-21. This may change for 2010
Moto-GT = Endurance

[KawiSmurf]

So whats DSB? Moto-GT, Moto-ST, Moto-Ritchie, whatever.
Im just confused as to what races are being shown and of course they never explain it on speed.

ASB - American Superbike
DSB - Daytona Sportbike
SS - Supersport
Moto-GT


ASB = Heavyweight high horsepower bikes like the GSXR-1000 and Ducati 1098R
DSB = Middleweight bikes like the Honda CBR600 and Buell 1125R. A mixed motorcycle class based on a performance index.
SS = Kid's Class, mainly all 600cc I4's with a age restriction 16-21. This may change for 2010
Moto-GT = Endurance

Moto-Ritchie = Series where the intent is to stuff anyone trying to take a faster line than you on every turn


Alex, I just saw (on the AMA site) that the Pro SS series had the 1125R listed under eligible bikes, but I didn't notice that earlier in the season (I thought it was strictly 600cc)...was that recently added, thrown in for next year?

[Pittenger5]

Moto-Ritchie = Series where the intent is to stuff anyone trying to take a faster line than you on every turn

No, thats Moto-Butcher.

[Awesome]

I watched the first races and didn't bother after.

[KawiSmurf]

No, thats Moto-Butcher.

Point taken.

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A huge over site of people who are into a sport is who people running the show are looking to get as viewers.

NASCAR does not need to try and attract NASCAR enthusiasts. They need to attract to viewers to grow. This is true for all sports and well anything that has fans. Die hards will view no matter what, money is made in expansion. It's BS sometimes but it is a business.