VIN and engine number required by racetracks?

[Degsy]

So, I hear some tracks are asking for VIN numbers for race bikes? Anyone have any input?

discuss.

[rolker]

So, where would I find the VIN number on the RS125?

[GixerJockey]

'Bogie is the only one I've ever heard of.

Degs, do you have a specific list of tracks that require this?

[Pigman]

I know for Suzuki contingency you have to have give your VIN to get paid...

[Degsy]

I heard NJMP. They can confiscate your bike if they are suspicious?

I only ask because I have built motors with new cases with no engine number and also put bikes together with brand new unstamped frames?
Id also like to know how a track can check VIN and engine numbers when running an engine number is virtually impossible for the average Joe.

[Gecko]

So far, only been asked in connection with contingency.

Update: no experience with NJMP though.

[Degsy]

For manufacturer contingency I completely understand. I'm concerned that a track or racing organization may be looking for stolen bikes and/or parts. While I understand that they have a right to ask anything they want, and bike theft is a problem, I'm concerned about the fact that they say they can confiscate equipment on a hunch.

If I buy a motor on ebay, I have no way to know if it's stolen. i could have a bike confiscated without recourse?

[Kitt]

I heard they were checking VIN's (easy theft look-up) and for EXISTING engine #'s (can't check engine SN to VIN without manufacturer's support) at past AMA events.

[Kurlon]

Does their system support Japanese characters and under-sized VINs?

[GixerJockey]

I have heard that about NJMP. I was told that a crash resulting in an ambulance ride will trigger a look at the bike. Doesn't make sense, and this is totally second hand information that I have not attempted to confirm.

[carsick]

I had to give my VIN at NHMS in tech for a 3rd. Might have even been in Novice. I didn't ask, wasn't thinking much about constitutional rights just then.

[Degsy]

LOL, not talking from a constitution standpoint. Its a private event at a private facility. They can ask for what they want. What would have happened if you had a new frame with no VIN though?

I had to give my VIN at NHMS in tech for a 3rd. Might have even been in Novice. I didn't ask, wasn't thinking much about constitutional rights just then.

[soofle616]

I had to give my VIN at NHMS in tech for a 3rd. Might have even been in Novice. I didn't ask, wasn't thinking much about constitutional rights just then.

apparently you looked suspicious cause I've yet to be asked to see my vin. Had to go get it for the contingency form but i just got it and wrote it down, it wasn't actually checked.

[jcbell1007]

LOL, not talking from a constitution standpoint. Its a private event at a private facility. They can ask for what they want. What would have happened if you had a new frame with no VIN though?

No VIN on a new frame is a lot different than a stolen frame with an altered or removed VIN. Those bikes imported without a stamped 17 digit VIN (RS125's etc...) that are for offroad use only would have to go by a frame number, engine number etc...

As far as constitutional rights goes, VIN's are public information and placed in publicly viewable places. This is called the P-VIN. There are other spots on some cars, trucks, trailers, motorcycles etc...where the VIN is discriminantly placed and harder to get at without disassembling the vehicle to match the numbers. Car VINS are usually located in three places; windshield, drivers door on the frame, and somewhere else.

Private entities would have no power to seize a bike from someone that they suspected as stolen, only LE and special designated gov't entities have that power. The worse they would be able to do is deny you access to the track and call a PD to make a report.

As far as parts from ebay etc... The state has to prove that the person holding the stolen item (say a motor you bought off ebay) would reasonably know that the item was stolen. If you bought it from ebay and had no idea it was stolen, you would have deniability and a paper trail to prove otherwise. If you bought it from some guy out of the back of a van three states over, it would be tougher to defend.

[PainfullySlow]

LOL, not talking from a constitution standpoint. Its a private event at a private facility. They can ask for what they want. What would have happened if you had a new frame with no VIN though?

This is my exact situation. I have the original frame with the VIN plate on it for verification if I ever need it. Beyond that, I have no idea what I can do differently.

[Tricky Mike]

This is my exact situation. I have the original frame with the VIN plate on it for verification if I ever need it. Beyond that, I have no idea what I can do differently.

My situation is identical. The original wrecked frame lives in the attic. I carry paperwork, but who's to say how much is enough.

[Garandman]

So, where would I find the VIN number on the RS125?

Has to be tattooed on your arm....

[OreoGaborio]

If I buy a motor on ebay, I have no way to know if it's stolen. i could have a bike confiscated without recourse?

That's how it works in real life... why should the track be any different?

BUT LET ME BE CLEAR! The TRACK better not confiscate ANYTHING. If they think a bike is stolen they need to call the popo.

Don't wanna get burned? Don't steal shit & don't buy stolen shit.

[Degsy]

There is absolutely no way for a private person to check an engine number. Every engine on ebay has the potential to be stolen. Whats a person to do?

That's how it works in real life... why should the track be any different?

BUT LET ME BE CLEAR! The TRACK better not confiscate ANYTHING. If they think a bike is stolen they need to call the popo.

Don't wanna get burned? Don't steal shit & don't buy stolen shit.

[Degsy]

No, the way it works in real life is IF the police have reason, they can check on these things.
This is a case of the track checking engine numbers and then calling the police if they suspect something. The difference is in the checking without suspicion. Now, I know the answer would be "don't like it, don't race". I'm only trying to find out if anyone has ever had an engine number checked because I heard a rumor and I'm surprised that it would happen. Surprised that a race track or organization would have access to the database of engine numbers/vins and surprised that a track would be interested in the first place.

That's how it works in real life... why should the track be any different?

BUT LET ME BE CLEAR! The TRACK better not confiscate ANYTHING. If they think a bike is stolen they need to call the popo.

Don't wanna get burned? Don't steal shit & don't buy stolen shit.

[OreoGaborio]

IF the police have reason, they can check on these things.

Stolen bikes/engines being reported in the area is reason enough to check. But they'd probably be looking for numbers reported as stolen.

I'm only trying to find out if anyone has ever had an engine number checked

Not me and I haven't heard of anyone getting checked (but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened). Now please put your pitchfork down.

[Degsy]

Wirelessly posted

IF the police have reason, they can check on these things.

Stolen bikes/engines being reproted in the area is reason enough to check.

I'm only trying to find out if anyone has ever had an engine number checked

Not me and I haven't heard of anyone getting checked. Now please put your pitchfork down.

So you would agree that i would be out of my mind worrying about this, right?

[OreoGaborio]

If your ID numbers aren't reported as stolen or ground off? Yes.

I would also agree that I don't really care cuz my stuff's not stolen... that I know of... HEY HOBBS!

[Degsy]

Wirelessly posted

Just proving a point that someone i know is out of their mind.
Thanks for playing.

[Garandman]

That's how it works in real life... why should the track be any different?

BUT LET ME BE CLEAR! The TRACK better not confiscate ANYTHING. If they think a bike is stolen they need to call the popo.

Don't wanna get burned? Don't steal shit & don't buy stolen shit. Floss daily, wear clean underwear, and be nice to your mother.

...Alrighty then!