Wrist trouble during racing - throttle swap, superbike tail, etc?

[CEO]

I am continuing to have soreness and numbness in my bad wrist (2011 surgery) during races. My range of motion for turning the throttle isn't that great... so as the race goes on, I often can't twist from on/off transition to WOT without adjusting my hand once and it gets hairy when I'm moving around on the bike at the same time.

I'm wondering if shortening the throttle throw on my R6 would help? I think it's a 1/5 turn stock (?)... maybe the motion pro with swappable cams and getting it even shorter would help? I am pretty good with modulating under rear movement so I think I could handle shortening it up without highsiding myself to the moon.

I also know that I wrestle the bars too much and use the bars to hold myself under braking too much. So I'm also thinking a superbike tail with pad would get me a little lower in the seat and more planted and make it easier to brace against the tank with half my butt off. Currently if I do that i either have to sit straight up and down and squeeze the tank and then move my butt over later during trailbraking, or move over and put pressure on the bars (otherwise i slide around or even lift off of the seat). I do have some stompgrip on there but can't really brace against it with my feet on the pegs in normal slot, my knees don't come up high enough due to my height/inseam.

Any general thoughts/ideas on this plan? Other ideas? I can't keep racing this way if I want to go faster...

[Kurlon]

I think some grip material on your leathers, or placed on the bike where your knees want to be would help take some load off. I'm not going to pretend to be knowledgeable enough on body position at your speed to know if your tail change idea will hurt or help, I also can't imagine less than a 1/5th turn throttle on a middleweight.

What did you have for surgery on your wrist, and are you still doing the post surgery exercises? A second stint of PT might help restore range of motion as well as build up more endurance/tolerance for ya?

[nt650hawk]

Go back to the single life!!!!!!!! this will help!


I have a similar experience. the pad/base of my thumb gets cramped up and swollen towards the end of the race. I have to roll on the throttle and roll my hand back on top and then back down for FT. It is just too sore to continue rolling on in one continuous motion the long throw throttle. I bet a short turn throttle would help where I could give my thumb area a breather and get some blood circulating.

[Eddie]

My 2 cents: I'd go with the motion pro kit if you feel that you are turning your wrist more than necessary. I switched to the motion pro kit on my old 600rr and it did make an huge difference as it relates to the throtle response. Of course, the bike became a little twitchy but I suppose that race/track bikes I supposed to be that way.

[lord1234]

If you need to talk to a wrist/hand specialist, PM me. I have had great luck with a guy who is out of the New England Baptist. He's worked on both mine and my wife's wrists.

[CBR929RE]

go with the new throttle. the MP is the sweetest quick turn out there.

the superbike tail might actually raise the seat height. I think mine is slightly higher now with it.

[Gecko]

I am continuing to have soreness and numbness in my bad wrist (2011 surgery) during races. My range of motion for turning the throttle isn't that great... so as the race goes on, I often can't twist from on/off transition to WOT without adjusting my hand once and it gets hairy when I'm moving around on the bike at the same time.

I'm wondering if shortening the throttle throw on my R6 would help? I think it's a 1/5 turn stock (?)... maybe the motion pro with swappable cams and getting it even shorter would help? I am pretty good with modulating under rear movement so I think I could handle shortening it up without highsiding myself to the moon.

Been thinking about this same thing. No wrist problem here, but I often have to adjust my hand to go to WOT on my '08 R6. There are a number of people who have this issue. Had the same issue on my '03 R3 and went with a 1/4 turn. For me, night and day. The MP kit seems to allow for much more adjust ability to suit, but I'm also considering the Graves throttle tube (pricey, but you don't have to change the cables). I'll probably have something on for the next round....

I also know that I wrestle the bars too much and use the bars to hold myself under braking too much. So I'm also thinking a superbike tail with pad would get me a little lower in the seat and more planted and make it easier to brace against the tank with half my butt off. Currently if I do that i either have to sit straight up and down and squeeze the tank and then move my butt over later during trailbraking, or move over and put pressure on the bars (otherwise i slide around or even lift off of the seat). I do have some stompgrip on there but can't really brace against it with my feet on the pegs in normal slot, my knees don't come up high enough due to my height/inseam. Any general thoughts/ideas on this plan? Other ideas? I can't keep racing this way if I want to go faster...

I'm not so sure that's the way you want to go. Had same issue w/ my '06 R6 ... have issues with my shoulders ... to much pressure on the arms/shoulders when braking. Had a SB tail and someone suggested going with a SS tail. It helped (but the eventual shoulder surgery helped even more ). Garage-mate has an '09 R6. Middle of last year he and I were discussing this same issue, except he had a SB tail & pad. He said the same thing ... he wanted to get a little lower in the seat and more planted. He asked if he could try my spare SS seat and tail. He loves it an now won't give me my SS tail back!! If its the way you want to go, maybe he'd let you try (or even buy) his SB tail.

my knees don't come up high enough due to my height/inseam.

What rearsets you running?

[a13x]

Motion Pro throttle for sure. We put one on JRO's bike since she had wasn't getting WFO due to her small hands/wrist movement. She's on the 2nd of 4 adjustments, with 1 being the shortest throw. We started with #3 but that was still too much. Our #1 plate holder here, on a SBK, runs the #1 setting! His throttle is like a lightswitch!

Maybe experiment with seat foam at the back of the gas tank? Some of the shorter riders in the pro racing world do that.

[OreoGaborio]

Sounds sketchy, but I've got an R6 throttle tube (shorter throw than the SV), plus a zip-tie super glued onto the cam It's about a 1/6th turn, maybe a hair less. Love it.


Try repositioning the stop grip before ya spend the money on a SB tail?

[a13x]

Sounds sketchy, but I've got an R6 throttle tube (shorter throw than the SV), plus a zip-tie super glued onto the cam It's about a 1/6th turn, maybe a hair less. Love it.


Try repositioning the stop grip before ya spend the money on a SB tail?

Zip ties and super glue on your throttle? NAAAAH nothing sketchy about that mate!


(pssst... get a real throttle)

[golden chicken]

Screwdriver hand position method?

I'm slow, so...

[OreoGaborio]

Zip ties and super glue on your throttle? NAAAAH nothing sketchy about that mate!
(pssst... get a real throttle)

I understand the risks and I accept them.
Been running it for 2 years now. Inspected regularly. Not a single issue or even a hint of one.

In fact, I have less issues with it now than before I tweaked it.

[a13x]

I understand the risks and I accept them.
Been running it for 2 years now. Inspected regularly. Not a single issue or even a hint of one.

In fact, I have less issues with it now than before I tweaked it.

Dork.
I'd still use my sweet S&C sponsorship to get a sano MP throttle. What else you gonna spend your SV money on
ACCEPT THAT!!!

[CBR929RE]

The MP kit seems to allow for much more adjust ability to suit, but I'm also considering the Graves throttle tube (pricey, but you don't have to change the cables).

holy shit that Graves tube is expensive. the MP is only a little more and you get to fine tune it with the different cams. once you replace the cables you won't have to readjust them when doing a cam swap. its a really nice design.

[Jim]

Chris, the 06 R6 throttles are 1/6 turn. The next step down you could get could probably be 1/8.

[Gecko]

holy shit that Graves tube is expensive. the MP is only a little more and you get to fine tune it with the different cams. once you replace the cables you won't have to readjust them when doing a cam swap. its a really nice design.

I don't disagree on the Graves. Those who have it say the "Progressive" nature of the Graves out performs others in modulating the mid to top end throttle with the oval shaped reel (so something like 0-60% throttle turn gives you 30% gas ... but then the last 30% gives you the remaining 60% of the gas). Basically it gives you plenty of "room" for maintenance and applying the throttle smoothly mid corner, but then when you are ready to go WOT it does it quickly. But now MP has a Progressive reel too, but it doesn't come with the kit, you have to buy it as an extra piece for like $45. The other thing about the Graves is you don't have to mess with changing cables. However, if you trash the Graves' throttle tube in a crash your out serious $$$ to replace it ... where the MP plastic throttle tube is like $15 to replace.

[CBR929RE]

that motion Pro progressive one is listed as a street one so I'd assume getting to full throttle would still require repositioning your hand. Either way I want control of rolling on the throttle smoothly myself. if i had a progressive one I'd be trying to twist the throttle harder to make up for the reel.

I don't see new cables as a bad thing. can't be much more difficult on an R6 than on my CBR600 which requires you to pull the throttle bodies to get the lower cable on.

[Paul_E_D]

Quick turn throttles have improved every single bike I have ever ridden that had one. Big bike, little bike, whatever. THey all need it IMO (except actual racebikes (GP), they already have them). Wow, that was a double aside!

[csmutty]

Chris and John. I run a euroturn throttle on my r6. You are both welcome to try it to see if you like it.

[Mustang]

the superbike tail might actually raise the seat height. I think mine is slightly higher now with it.

Depends on what you do with the subframe. I put a SB R6 tail on my stock SV subframe; it was 4-5" lower than stock. (I'm now experimenting with how to raise it to the appropriate height/cant)

[CBR929RE]

Depends on what you do with the subframe. I put a SB R6 tail on my stock SV subframe; it was 4-5" lower than stock. (I'm now experimenting with how to raise it to the appropriate height/cant)

go to home depot and get some angle aluminum. cut, bend, alumiweld...or have Rada make you something that hawk subframe he made is sweeeeeeeeet!

[Gecko]

that motion Pro progressive one is listed as a street one so I'd assume getting to full throttle would still require repositioning your hand.

I don't think so ... but its hard for me to explain why, except to say that it has to do with the oval shape of the reel. Where the first part of the reel profile is similar to the stock throttle to like 30% opening (so mid corner throttle control isn't too sensitive), then the reel gets larger and the throttle changes to the fast profile taking less twist to reach wot. Someone drew a good picture of it, and if I can find the damn thing I'll post it.

Either way I want control of rolling on the throttle smoothly myself. if i had a progressive one I'd be trying to twist the throttle harder to make up for the reel.

Hopefully not mid-corner you wouldn't.

I don't see new cables as a bad thing. can't be much more difficult on an R6 than on my CBR600 which requires you to pull the throttle bodies to get the lower cable on.

I look at it from a different perspective ... all things being equal, if I can get the same result without changing cables ... how is that not a good thing?

Chris and John. I run a euroturn throttle on my r6. You are both welcome to try it to see if you like it.

Thanks Christian, Euroturn was another option, but had dismissed early b/c I thought they were pricey compared to the MP. Did you get yours from Yoyo?

[Mustang]

go to home depot and get some angle aluminum. cut, bend, alumiweld...or have Rada make you something that hawk subframe he made is sweeeeeeeeet!

I've already done that. First try was too high. Second try, front was too low. Third try coming next week.

[Awesome]

Has anyone recommended rehabbing your wrist? Fix that shit.

[csmutty]

Thanks Christian, Euroturn was another option, but had dismissed early b/c I thought they were pricey compared to the MP. Did you get yours from Yoyo?

Negative. It came on the bike. I had no idea about the price.