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Squeeking after tire change?

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    Question Squeeking after tire change?

    Ninja not as stealthy anymore? Need insight please.
    Swapped wheels less than 60 miles ago. New tires are mint BTW. Go Avon! Who?

    Out for a ride, squeek coming from down low, left side of the bike, possible ahead of the engine in terms of location..??
    Not too sure so I have started a process.
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    My chain was cleaned for the tire change, only applied lube after yesterday's ride.
    Possibly the speedo cable.
    Possibly brake pads are still re-seating after the re&re of the front wheel.
    Possibly brake pads need replacement as they looked thin.
    Possibly wheel bearings? Axel design prevents over tightening so may be a long shot.

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    The sound is not constant.
    It is loud enough to hear at speeds around 60kph with my visor lifted, or not.
    It is not likely coming from the engine as I'm able to almost get noise from the issue while rolling the bike. I think this may be a clue?
    The sound starts off light and increases then fades.
    Bike seems to roll with the same amount of effort.
    I have not put the front up on the stand yet.
    Performing a side to side while in my lane doesn't seem to have any effect.
    I have not tested out the chain since applying lube, tension is good. Chain and sprockets are new-like.
    It is not the fairing or related bits that hang on the bike.

    Thanks for any insight.

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    Re: Squeeking after tire change?

    Did you get oil or grease on your brake rotor while reinstalling?

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    Re: Squeeking after tire change?

    maybe you need to feed the hamster??


    does it go away if you apply the brakes?

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    Re: Squeeking after tire change?

    You could try taking out your front brake pads and taking a quick run down the road, see if that eliminates the squeak.

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    Re: Squeeking after tire change?

    Shut your engine off going down a hill and see if you hear it. Did you put the spacers on correctly?

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    Re: Squeeking after tire change?

    Quote Originally Posted by SRTie4k View Post
    You could try taking out your front brake pads and taking a quick run down the road, see if that eliminates the squeak.
    That's a bad idea. If you do do that I would also suggest taking your brake lever off the bike and making sure your insurance is paid up.

    Quote Originally Posted by mycirus View Post
    Shut your engine off going down a hill and see if you hear it. Did you put the spacers on correctly?
    That's a great idea.

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    Re: Squeeking after tire change?

    Was that caliper reinstalled

    Loosen and move caliper to make sure nothing is trapped holdin it at an angle

    Clean rotors with brake clean and exame for surface irregulaities

    Leave some cheese next to the bike at night

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    Re: Squeeking after tire change?

    Quote Originally Posted by DuncanMoto View Post
    That's a bad idea. If you do do that I would also suggest taking your brake lever off the bike and making sure your insurance is paid up.
    If you lived up here in VT, you'd understand why its not such a big deal.

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    Re: Squeeking after tire change?

    Some great suggestions.
    I will put some of these to good use tonight when I get home to the bike but I think I'll leave the brake pads in place for now.

    Thanks lads!

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    Re: Squeeking after tire change?

    I bet it's the speedometer drive on the front wheel. It may have been misaligned when installed, or may just be dry. You can pack it full of grease to fix it if it's dry. If it's misaligned, the sheet metal parts may need to be bent back into shape.

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    Re: Squeeking after tire change?

    Quote Originally Posted by stoinkythepig View Post
    I bet it's the speedometer drive on the front wheel. It may have been misaligned when installed, or may just be dry. You can pack it full of grease to fix it if it's dry. If it's misaligned, the sheet metal parts may need to be bent back into shape.
    Speedo drive eh?

    It was a PITA to put back into place but very light pressure was used and we made an effort to line up the pins with the center hub. It seemed to sit correctly against the wheel and we didn't have any clearance issues. It had grease in place but I'm sure it could have used more. It was not too dry at all but I will examine it again.

    Thanks

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    Re: Squeeking after tire change?

    it's your wheels crying because you put avon's on them... duh. try pirelli's, should help.

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    Re: Squeeking after tire change?

    Might be the cable too. You can easily remove it from the drive and see if the noise goes away.

    The front bearings are a little under-sized for the application. They are readily available from bearing supply stores, no need to go to the dealer. Pretty sure they are 6302 or 6203 ask for FAG double sealed if you need them.

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    Re: Squeeking after tire change?

    Quote Originally Posted by stoinkythepig View Post
    Might be the cable too. You can easily remove it from the drive and see if the noise goes away.

    The front bearings are a little under-sized for the application. They are readily available from bearing supply stores, no need to go to the dealer. Pretty sure they are 6302 or 6203 ask for FAG double sealed if you need them.
    Thanks a bunch.

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    Re: Squeeking after tire change?

    Quote Originally Posted by mycirus View Post
    Shut your engine off going down a hill and see if you hear it. Did you put the spacers on correctly?
    Never, NEVER do this. Think internal parts still moving, oil pump NOT...

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    Re: Squeeking after tire change?

    Then just use

    JOD with the engine idling

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    Re: Squeeking after tire change?

    Quote Originally Posted by richw View Post
    Then just use

    JOD with the engine idling

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    Re: Squeeking after tire change?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stoneman View Post
    Never, NEVER do this. Think internal parts still moving, oil pump NOT...
    In nuetral??? I'm confused. And the oil pump spins off the crank, so oil pressure will be there even if the motor is not firing.

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    Re: Squeeking after tire change?

    I'm willing to bet a rotor got some lateral force applied to it during the tire change resulting in a slight warp. Either that or a ridge was created in a pad when a screwdriver was used to pry the pads apart for reassembly. Or a pad is hung up on the pin a little skewed and the leading edge is riding on the rotor.

    Try riding either brake slightly, see if anything different happens.

    Or, though I'm surprised nobody has thought to mention it,

    Just get a few guys to lift it.

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    Re: Squeeking after tire change?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_E_D View Post
    In nuetral??? I'm confused. And the oil pump spins off the crank, so oil pressure will be there even if the motor is not firing.

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    Re: Squeeking after tire change?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheIglu View Post
    I'm willing to bet a rotor got some lateral force applied to it during the tire change resulting in a slight warp. Either that or a ridge was created in a pad when a screwdriver was used to pry the pads apart for reassembly. Or a pad is hung up on the pin a little skewed and the leading edge is riding on the rotor.

    Try riding either brake slightly, see if anything different happens.

    Or, though I'm surprised nobody has thought to mention it,

    Just get a few guys to lift it.
    Thanks for the suggestions.

    Chris and I were careful while using the tire irons to remove the Michelins not to make contact with the rotors.
    FWIW, the rotors on my bike look to be 1/4 inch think and quite sturdy.

    We had no need to pry the pads during the process but one caliper had to be fiddled with a bit more, typical movement IMO.
    While at speed, aprox. 30 mph in a parking lot I was able to apply some front brake and see if the sound changed etc. No luck.

    I will remove the calipers and inspect the brake pads as well as have a good look at each rotor for "spurs" etc.
    I wish the squeek was less subtle as far as locating the source is concerned.

    Thanks again.

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