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    Re: Front End Swap VS cartridges

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurlon View Post
    But only with a JUST SWAP THE ENTIRE BIKE FOR A RADIAL MASTER because RADIAL MASTER
    Fixed.

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    Re: Front End Swap VS cartridges

    Quote Originally Posted by TheIglu View Post
    Fixed.
    Or you can just get a few guys to lift it up.......

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    Re: Front End Swap VS cartridges

    Pete thank you so much!

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    Re: Front End Swap VS cartridges

    Quote Originally Posted by TheIglu View Post
    Fixed.
    I'm confused. Which cylinder is the master cylinder? #1?


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    Re: Front End Swap VS cartridges

    Quote Originally Posted by gmdboston View Post
    and having a compression damper in one side and a rebound damper in the other side may contribute to Fork Twist..... I'll be brief about this one, pure unadulterated bullshit. Well unless you are using a wooden stick for an axle, then yes, it will.
    I think you proved this wrong on the converted forks that you did before I did the full swap. It worked awesome.

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    Re: Front End Swap VS cartridges

    Because this is the internet, I'm going to write about whatever I want to to keep this thread going, rather than contributing to the OP's purpose.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurlon View Post
    Be aware, you can go OVERLY stiff on the front suspension and overwhelm the frame. No idea if that's an issue or not on the EX but it's something to be aware of.
    On the SV, it's *almost* nonexistent. I've ridden a G2 SV650 with 1.2's (IIRC) and it felt marvelous.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_E_D View Post
    Off topic but tangentially related:

    I rode Kurtz' EX and Rada's SV back to back and pushing pretty fricken hard at NCBIKE. It was enlightening. Rada's set up was at the extreme end of stiff (spring wise), and Kurtz' was much more in my wheelhouse. Rada has a steering damper, Kurtz does not.

    The EX was immediately easier to turn, and loves to be cranked all the way over. Handles amazingly when on the edge of the tire. It's much narrower and lower COG than the SV. It was quite a bit less stable than Rada's SV though, and at this high speed track, I think that was a penalty. I went off track in the high speed final turn and had a WILD ride through the grass. I didn't quite get a precise line going in and I spun and drifted a little wide, and that was that.

    Rada's bike was a puzzle to me. In the first lap I thought, "I can't ride this thing, it won't turn". But I stayed out there, and began trail braking into the turns to get the bike laid over. Once I did that, it was stable as a rock mid corner, and I could open the gas WOT without losing my line. The wider tank and frame actually made it easier to relax at max lean angle. I was not working hard at all to go fast on it. The bumps would set me sideways a bit though.

    On that track, on that day, a SUPER stiff SV was my pick. At Loudon I have preferred the EX.
    Though I didn't ride Kurtz's EX at NCBIKE, I have ridden it before (can't remember whether at NHMS or NJMP-L). Regardess, I felt the same as you when first jumping onto Rada's SV at NCBIKE...goddamn if I don't love a big stiff SV

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    Re: Front End Swap VS cartridges

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    ...goddamn if I don't love a big stiff SV
    then you need to try a 1st gen SV with a stiff GSXR front end.

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    Re: Front End Swap VS cartridges

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    On the SV, it's *almost* nonexistent. I've ridden a G2 SV650 with 1.2's (IIRC) and it felt marvelous.
    I wasn't referring to spring rate, I was talking about the overall stiffness/flexyness of the forks themselves, and how much of that gets transferred to the frame as a result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurlon View Post
    I wasn't referring to spring rate, I was talking about the overall stiffness/flexyness of the forks themselves, and how much of that gets transferred to the frame as a result.
    I got your point. I actually came across cases of people removing the steering damper at the isle due to it making the bike unrideable.

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    Re: Front End Swap VS cartridges

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    goddamn if I don't love a big stiff SV
    Um, yeah, it surprised me how much I liked it, too. :-0

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    Re: Front End Swap VS cartridges


    Glad you guys enjoyed my stiffness!!!

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    Re: Front End Swap VS cartridges

    Quote Originally Posted by tsorfas View Post


    This one?
    I SO want the upper left RVF!

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    Re: Front End Swap VS cartridges

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurlon View Post
    I wasn't referring to spring rate, I was talking about the overall stiffness/flexyness of the forks themselves, and how much of that gets transferred to the frame as a result.
    The bike Bill's referring to also had a GSXR front end, for whatever that bit of info is worth.

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    Re: Front End Swap VS cartridges

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Kurtz View Post
    The bike Bill's referring to also had a GSXR front end, for whatever that bit of info is worth.
    That may be, I don't know the specifics for SVs or lobotomized Ninjers, just pointing out that there is a point where you can go too far so talk to people with experience who may have found that line.

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