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    Quote Originally Posted by Imbeek View Post
    I have sumo wheels that came with the klx and should fit the KTM...they have dot's on them now. I have rains and knobby tires kicking around too. If I don't use tires I already own, it'd be cool if I could buy and use something that could stay on the klx for slightly more street oriented dual sport use.
    The front DRZ-SM wheel will require custom spacers to fit the KTM. I'm not sure anyone makes mass produced spacers for that application.
    The rear does bolt right up. But remember you'll need very, very different gearing and possibly a different sized chain.

    What's your goal? To roll in there, run the premier big-bike class and show LaForge a thing or two? Then yeah, do something legitimate. But if your goal is to roll in and have some fun for only a few $ out of pocket then the DRZ is perfectly appropriate for your first hit. That bike has been run 3 times at Boxshop. It is far from optimal, but it will get around that course just fine. In fact I preferred its lazy handling in the dirt to the WR I'm on now. Especially after I stiffened up the spring rates.

    Drop the gearing to the floor. IIRC there were two front sprockets in that kit I gave you, a 14 and a 13. I think the 13 may still be on the bike. That's the one you want. Then put a fairly large rear on. I can't remember what I ran but it had to have been in the 47t ballpark. You'll need a long chain. I can't remember what I did, possibly added a couple links with a 2nd master. But gear the thing low and be prepared to work your clutch hand a lot. And be ready to work your ass off! The bike is not light and a handful in the dirt.

    Take out the headlight, put the mask back on. Remove the front turn markers and entire tail light assembly; 3 connectors and cut a zip-tie. Take off the luggage rack. Be careful not to forget to put the relay behind the headlight back in; ask me how I learned this! Buy some vinyl numbers from the hardware store on the way to the track. Nobody cares about colors/backgrounds/etc. Just so long as they are legible. Total prep took me in the vicinity of 45-60 minutes.

    Everything important should be drilled for safety wire already.

    160 Pirelli race rubber and rains will fit in that rear swingarm if you happen to have take-offs from the SV. 160 street rubber is more of a challenge.

    Quote Originally Posted by Imbeek View Post
    Run the DOTs?
    Yes. The DOTs I sold you on that bike are Bridgestone S21/S20 Evo "hypersport" tires. They will do very well at boxshop and let you not worry about warmers. There are moments when I wonder if I should be running a tire like that on my setup. Instead I bought a 2nd set of wheels and set them up with rains.. because I'm "committed to running a serious program" this year.. or somesuch.

    Quote Originally Posted by Imbeek View Post
    As far as engine braking, color me none (rekluse clutch on the KTM)
    I think it's public knowledge that I'm not much of an auto-clutch fan. But this is one more reason to run the DRZ and keep your expectations low. Having a real clutch will let you drag that rear. I have successfully "backed in" that DRZ at the hairpin at boxshop without any rear brake. Punch the shifter down twice, lean the bike a little, get on the front binder hard and unload the rear then feather that clutch out.. she'll come 'round.

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    Re: 771 Racing - Dirt Shenanigans, GO!

    It was great racing with you guys! Thanks for helping me get acclimated. My opinion may be jaded, because I had a lot of trouble not stalling, but an auto clutch doesn't feel very differently than a slipper. I shouldn't hesitate to use one there, I know there is at least one racer at LRRS with one, and he has no trouble. I think any MX bike w/ 17's, even a 250, would work better than a DRZ there. Again, I have limited experience, but I wouldn't hesitate to bring my 300xcw if I had the right wheels.

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    Re: 771 Racing - Dirt Shenanigans, GO!

    Riding SM at boxshop is different than road racing. Aaron emphasizes over and over again that it is entirely different. He spends nearly half his time with us ex-road-race types just trying to break us of our knee out habits.
    I don't see how an auto clutch can do any good with the back-in drills.
    If you want to road-race at boxshop, bring a mini. If you want to try the leg-out thing, bring something with a manual clutch.
    And having a 4-stroke will help further as the 2-strokes don't have the same kind of engine braking. Josh has commented over and over again what a challenge it is with his 2-stroke. The DRZ may be a pig, but she engine brakes well. The front brake on his is meaty and will let him brake late and hard with confidence, thus unloading the rear and letting it slide.

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    Re: 771 Racing - Dirt Shenanigans, GO!

    Out of curiosity, are prepared bikes for sale online anywhere? 13x classifieds, that kind of thing?

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    All over the place. Ryan Hobbs is/was blowing out a Honda last I knew.

    Edit: Sold, never mind.

    Lurk the 13x forums, these forums, LRRS FB group, Northeast Supermoto Racers FB group, etc.

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    Re: 771 Racing - Dirt Shenanigans, GO!

    My Rekluse has engine braking..... Just not down at idle. ?

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    Maybe they are fine. I have only ridden one in a 2-stroke and it felt like it had even less engine braking than other 2-strokes, which ain't much.
    I just think the rekluse is not the right choice for riding Boxshop.
    But really, the place is fun << all else. If it gets you out there, doeit.

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    Re: 771 Racing - Dirt Shenanigans, GO!

    Yeah, I'd agree. Running it with a 2-smoke rekluse beats not running it at all.

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    Great time as always at BoxShop.............

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    Re: 771 Racing - Dirt Shenanigans, GO!

    Were you there? I would have said hey.

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    Re: 771 Racing - Dirt Shenanigans, GO!

    Thanks for all the info guys. Yeah the times I notice the no engine braking with the rekluse IS usually near idle...going down gnarly single track hills, or coming into slow mx corners where I'm not on the gas...maybe in a flat tracking situation it would work to back it in? Never tried it...

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    Re: 771 Racing - Dirt Shenanigans, GO!

    Quote Originally Posted by carsick View Post
    Were you there? I would have said hey.
    Yea....entrance by the photo dude. I have been sorting out 2 bikes so....

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    Re: 771 Racing - Dirt Shenanigans, GO!

    I will point out that young Joshua here is running away with the "superbiker" 2-stroke class completely uncontested. If someone does have a 2-stroke toy, they should show up and make him earn it now and then..

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    Re: 771 Racing - Dirt Shenanigans, GO!

    That's a better NHMS machine than short track, but the price is pretty damn good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurlon View Post
    That's a better NHMS machine than short track, but the price is pretty damn good.
    Thanks Josh. Why worse for short track -- too many CCs?

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    Re: 771 Racing - Dirt Shenanigans, GO!

    Built motor makes me worry that it'll be hard to smooth while learning. Reduced offset clamps may make it hard to flick / harder in the dirt.

    That's also me nitpicking a brochure so, huge grain of salt is required to be taken with this advice.

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    I'd run it..

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    Re: 771 Racing - Dirt Shenanigans, GO!

    I just Made it a little cheaper

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    Re: 771 Racing - Dirt Shenanigans, GO!

    I was just going to say...
    http://www.nestreetriders.com/forum/...ml#post1501835

    If that were blue it would be mine.

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    Yeah, I'm having a hard time coming up with arguments against at that price.

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