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I already have a search filter going on eBay, but thought I'd try here as well. Looking for fredette or comparable ice racing tires - 18 front and 21 rear. Please PM if you got a set, thanks.
I think the 21 rear is gonna be hard to find, unless you meant 21" front & 18" rear?KB is selling an 18" rear on here somewhere.
99 + 02 SV650 ex-race - 91 FJ1200 street - 03 KDX220R woods - 12 WR450F motard/ice
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I do you have an 18 inch rear for sale but New Hampshire Bubba has first dibs on it.
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'12 Ducati 1199 Panigale (track) '08 Honda CRF 250 (ice) '02 KTM 520 SX Supermoto (track)
Ice tires new studded with kold kutter tire liners
Doesn't seem like a bad price, I'm thinking of pinging them to see if they can keep that price while using Kold Kutter Kanadian screws...
I think I'm going to screw my own to start with. (that sounds weird, I know). If I do get into this hobby and start becoming competitive, I'll drop the cash on fredettes. Going to order kold kutters and go at it myself with the help of YouTube.
How to Install Kold Kutter Ice Racing Screws & Ic…: How to Install Kold Kutter Ice Racing Screws & Ice Master Tire Liners - YouTube
Cool, let us know how they turn out and where you are going to ride.
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Make sure you add up what you're going to spend on tires and the screws (apparently you have to get a lot of them).
If I recall, you have to spend ~$200 or more on tires and screws to get something that *probably* won't work very well.
Just my 2 cents, as I went through the same decision process before buying Fredettes.
I'll even donate my knobbies to the cause, but I think they're 21/19's and I don't think that would help you.
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'12 Ducati 1199 Panigale (track) '08 Honda CRF 250 (ice) '02 KTM 520 SX Supermoto (track)
Thanks for the offer ductard.
Screws are about fiddy bucks I believe. I've already got brand new knobbies on there now. Definitely not ice-specific kendas but pretty good knobbies. If I get into it, I'll surely go all in (I'm prone to going all in on all my hobbies) but just to get a feel for it, I'm going homemade to start. Definitely won't be as good as fredettes.
Last edited by xxaarraa; 11-25-14 at 08:34 PM.
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'12 Ducati 1199 Panigale (track) '08 Honda CRF 250 (ice) '02 KTM 520 SX Supermoto (track)
Sounds cold
I made a set of knobs last winter with takeoffs. I used 5/8" in the back and 1/2" in the front and a tube of 5200.
I did not build these for ice (even though those are koldkutters) but for screwing around in the snowy woods.
They worked pissah, and didn't spit a single screw. Actually, since they were mostly ridden in sand, they still look brand new.
Winter racing was sick. Super fun:
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Since I already had the tires, total cost was about $50.
Cliff's Cycles KTM
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Close your eyes, look deep in your soul, step outside yourself and let your mind go.
3M 5200 Polyurethane Adhesive/Sealant
Chip mentioned to me to let the tires "cure" for about a week, after applying the 5200 adhesive.
Personally, I use home made "tire liners" with 1" long Ice screws for Ice tires (Kenda K335 Ice Rear & Bridgestone ED11 Front Knobby). The 3M 5200 would probably help for any screws that aren't long enough to penetrate a tire knob into tire liner. If you still haven't had any luck finding "Fredette Ice tires", I can help you build up a set.
Last edited by wheelieman14; 11-26-14 at 07:55 AM.
$433.72 plus shipping, according to my math. That includes tires, liners, x1000 #12 1" "kanadian" screws, and Moose wraps.
I'd have hit 'order' by now.. but I am not confident that is enough screws or the correct screw for what I wanna do. I'm thinking of going ahead and ordering the tires, liners and such now and figuring the screws out later.
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Wheelieman and chipper - thanks a lot for the useful tips.
I also got a ton of VERY good information and tips from gregp via PM. I'll post the info here after checking with him to make sure its OK.
Last edited by xxaarraa; 11-26-14 at 10:00 AM.
I had a blast out on the ice last winter, riding the KDX200 (was originally gregp's, then I bought it from xxaarraa). I replied back to your PM xxaarraa... If my hand was healed from UCL thumb ligament repair on 11/3, I'd be planning to get out on the ice this winter on my '01 CR250R.
Dude, I didn't realize it was you! I'm glad you are getting great use out of the kdx. Its one of those bikes I should have kept, since I swapped it for the klx solely for doing the TLH but never got around to it.
NESR is funny, especially when you run into folks you bought and sold from, without realizing it!
Post away, xxaarraa. Ice riding setup really depends on how competitive you want to be. If you just want to have some fun, and rip some nice, long power slides on the ice, then you can just screw whatever tires you have (providing the knobs are tall enough to prevent the screws from going all the way through the carcass). If you want to race competitively, then you will want to buy Kenda Ice tires, and duplicate Fredette's set up - or something similar.
1/2" long screws are the norm for the front tires, and I usually ran 5/8" long screws in the rear tire. Again, serious racers will use liners, and run 1" long screws that are driven all the way through the tires carcass, and into the heavy liner.
I know that Chip said his weren't made for the ice, so I'm not knocking the construction, but it looks like the screw heads are just pointed in whatever direction they happened to be when the screw was fully sunk. I'm guessing he didn't care b/c as he said, they were for woods riding.
In contrast, I wanted to point out that on the Fredette's, and most of the Youtube videos I watched, it said that the slot in the screw should be perpendicular to the force you're trying to generate.
For example, on the center of the rear tire, the slots in the screw heads should be perpendicular to the direction of travel (100% drive focused).
On the very edge of the front tire, the slots in the screw should be parallel to the direction of travel (100% cornering focused).
In-between, as you go from center to the side of the tire, the screw patterns transition from drive to cornering focused, obviously the rear tire has more of a bias towards a drive focus.
This is one of those little details most people probably miss when they try to build their own. After all, there's no "magic" in building them, probably just a handful of that type of thing that you have to keep in mind.
You're welcome to look at my Fredette's sometime to try to emulate the pattern, although you might have to get creative if your knobbies have a different pattern than those do to start out with.
Good luck!
Last edited by Ductard; 11-29-14 at 01:54 PM.
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'12 Ducati 1199 Panigale (track) '08 Honda CRF 250 (ice) '02 KTM 520 SX Supermoto (track)