[wingerdor]

Many motorcycles that we have here in the states can be purchased with ABS in Europe.

Here's an example of the difference in a panic stop on the wet. Obviously it's all about not causing a lockup in the first place, but how efficiently would you brake if a small child darted out into your path???

No ABS vs. ABS - RPM Videos

[Pleasegivesoap]

Where can I get a pair of those training wheel dealies?? seems like they'd be perfect for getting to know the traction limit in the wet.

[bmrider]

When I purchased my K 1200 R, I opted for the ABS option. It took me a bit to get used to them, but now, I love em...

[Jenni]

Originally Posted by wingerdor

how efficiently would you brake if a small child darted out into your path???No ABS vs. ABS - RPM Videos

easy solution: don't panic... settle in both brakes... or i guess, push on the handlebar and swerve around. the idea of ABS sounds rather silly in the sense of no-abs becoming "old fashioned". but i can understand the practicality. i still would be one of the stubborn ones and choose against it.

p.s. those training wheels are awesome! someone start a group buy?

[seth505]

Originally Posted by Jenni

easy solution: don't panic... settle in both brakes... or i guess, push on the handlebar and swerve around.

thats just that "easily said" not easily done all the time...but that said, I do not want abs

[wingerdor]

Why not? ABS just sits there doing nothing unless you screw up. It doesn't hurt your stopping distance at all. (unless you consider that maybe an extra pound of weight could hurt)

[LuvDog]

Originally Posted by Jenni

... the idea of ABS sounds rather silly in the sense of no-abs becoming "old fashioned". but i can understand the practicality. i still would be one of the stubborn ones and choose against it.

I guess I'm old enough to remember when ABS was "new" to cars too. Lots of people had the same attitude... and thought that ABS was un-necessary and that they could do a better job at working the brakes.

[seth505]

ya I guess you're right but something like a small motorcycle I just feel like I should/can work the brakes competently...but like in the instance of having to maneuver around something hard on the brakes I guess it could really save you.

[slaps76]

I really can't see a disadvantage to having ABS.

[Evil_Weasel]

Originally Posted by slaps76

I really can't see a disadvantage to having ABS.

as long as it has an off switch.

[banzairx7]

My Ninja is one of those bikes, abs in europe but not here. I would have opted for it. I can admit Im a meat head in an emergency situation with the brakes. At least with my car. I've had two accidents that would not have happen if I had ABS. Both of them were emergency braking in the wet and I locked up the tires and couldn't swerve to avoid the "emergency". Its not that Im a bad driver. Ive done a million autocrosses, in which I finish very well, and never have trouble threshhold braking then.

[Pleasegivesoap]

MUST get those training wheels

[banzairx7]

Just remembered this press release from Honda-

Honda Announces World's First Electronically-Controlled 'Combined ABS' for Super Sport Bikes

Honda has announced the world's first electronically-controlled "Combined ABS" for Super Sport motorcycles, aimed at combining ABS and CBS systems into one system that applies the basic advantages of both, while specifically addressing the requirements of a Super Sport context.

In order to achieve this, the particular characteristics of Super Sport bikes, such as short wheelbase, are taken into account. The system also operates without interference to sports riding, and with an emphasis on maintaining full rider control.

The system consists of an electronically controlled combined "brake by wire" system with an innovative stroke simulator. Direct motor control ensures precise operation of the ABS. The components are divided into several smaller units so there are more, but smaller units than in previous systems.

The system's effectiveness is due to four main factors:

1. Electronic control of the CBS, allowing more advanced control of brake force. This provides a more sensitive distribution of brake force over both wheels.

2. Measurement of rider input force on each lever. The ideal brake force on both wheels is generated accordingly, providing optimum distribution and minimising vehicle body reaction.

3. An "ABS modulator" which ensures late triggering of ABS, and smooth ABS intervention.

4. Small size meaning that the system's components can be well integrated in the motorcycle's package. Thus mass-centralisation, a key feature for Super Sport bikes, is supported.

All the basic ABS and CBS functions are provided, including the prevention of wheel lock, improved balance and easy operation. This is achieved without any compromise to stability during ABS operation. Pitching is minimised so that the bike keeps its normal position. Overall, sport riding performance is uninterrupted - cornering feel remains the same and controllability is enhanced.

[Paul_E_D]

There's your reason right there! FOr a street bike, yes, ABS is a no brainer. If nothing else, it will remove some of the uncertainty from maximum braking, and the rider WILL brake harder than without ABS.

In performance situations it adds another layer of complexity to an already complex situation. It removes control from the rider. I know that's the way GP is heading, but fo me, it's not necessarily the right direction to go...