[bemused]

Originally posted by tumor
but i thought i just say a few things and hopefully people read it and just think twice about doing things as easy looking where you want to go or turning your blinkers on when turning, I see riders ride like cagers and thats no way to ride just want riders to be alert and not get hurt.

absolutely. no argument here. well-put. and thanx for putting your concern out here... it's appreciated

my only problem w/ what you said before-- and this may have just been my read on it-- was the "NESR vs. odfu" scorecard...

any time a rider goes gets off, it's a sad thing. I don't care what the hell he was riding, who he's "representin", or whether or not it was his/her fault. first thing I want to know is if he/she is OK... fuck the bike, machinery can be replaced, that's wa-a-ay down on my list of concerns. I also like to know if the rider can learn from what happened... 'cuz I am intently interested in knowing that the chances of it happening again are gonna be less.

next thing I wanna know is what the incident can teach me about my riding... had very few spills (more luck than skill, in a lot of cases), and I want to keep it that way. I do less stupid shit on a bike now than I used to... largely due to reminders that other folk have given me. if it was from circumstances outta his/her control, I want to sharpen my awareness. if it was due to "rider error", I wanna take a long, hard look at how prone I am to that same error.

finally, I keep it as a reminder that I have some (limited) responsibility for keeping an eye out for the folk I ride with. if I see someone newer than me riding obviously over their head... or endangering themselves due to ignorance of the inherent dangers of this sport, I can't just turn a blind eye... how in the hell would I feel if I said nothing, only to have pick them and their bike outta the weeds fifteen minutes later. if they choose to ignore what I say, so be it... but my conscience couldn't rest easy knowing I might have prevented it...

('kay, off my soapbox now. as you were...)

[tumor]

i think i put in one to many cents.....sorry dude don't want to stir shit...just keepin it real...there is off days and yes you are right what was i thinking about putting nesr and odfu in the same statistic. 2 and 2 ...this will be my last respond to this thread or topic hopefully spencer is better and ride agian..

[Honclfibr]

Seems to me that what tumor was trying to say is that all accidents can be avoided by an experienced, alert motorcyclist. Not that motorcyclists are to blame for anything that happens to them, simply that we are responsible for our own safety out there, since the SUV'ers sure aren't going to be. If we let them plow into us, it might not be our fault but we'll be just as dead so what's the difference to us?

As to whether that's true, I don't know. Part of me really hopes it is, I've got this dream that with enough training and practice I will be impervious to the stupidity of others, braking and weaving to avoid large trucks, small children, and lightning strikes alike, laughing off sudden changes in road condition with a flick of my wrist. I realize that this is probably unrealistic, but I am curious as to how low a really defensive motorcyclist can drop the risks...

[tumor]

Originally posted by Honclfibr
Seems to me that what tumor was trying to say is that all accidents can be avoided by an experienced, alert motorcyclist. Not that motorcyclists are to blame for anything that happens to them, simply that we are responsible for our own safety out there, since the SUV'ers sure aren't going to be. If we let them plow into us, it might not be our fault but we'll be just as dead so what's the difference to us?

As to whether that's true, I don't know. Part of me really hopes it is, I've got this dream that with enough training and practice I will be impervious to the stupidity of others, braking and weaving to avoid large trucks, small children, and lightning strikes alike, laughing off sudden changes in road condition with a flick of my wrist. I realize that this is probably unrealistic, but I am curious as to how low a really defensive motorcyclist can drop the risks...

thanks honclfibr thats what i was trying to say.

Originally posted by zombie
if thats what you were trying to say then just say it without all that other crap
and I thuoght you were done posting on this thread

The internet fucking SUCKS!

[tumor]

dude lighten if you ride they way you post.....

[oreo_n2]

Originally posted by tumor
dude lighten if you ride they way you post.....

are you related to beet?

Originally posted by oreo_n2
are you related to beet?

Ok I changed my mind, the internet is AWESOME!

[tumor]

who's beet

[twrayinma]

beet is like... a <i>concept</i>, man...

it's like.... a different frame of CONSCIOUSNESS

you can't say "who's beet?"
you can only say... like... "beet. yeah. beet IS."

<b><i>"What are they gonna say about him? What are they gonna say? That he was a kind man? That he was a wise man? That he had plans? That he had wisdom? Bullshit man!"</i></b>

[Honclfibr]

Originally posted by zombie
posted by honclfibr

thats not necessarily true , as you can be stopped at a traffic light and be ploughed into from behind by a drunk driver and it doesn't matter if you are valentino rossi you are going to get hit.
This is an integral part of the risks invovled in motorcycling and if you are not willing to accept the risks then don't ride , simple as that.

The plowed from behind at a traffic scenario is the reasoning I was always given for keeping the bike in first, not neutral, while stopped at a traffic light, and keep one eye on the mirrors with another scanning ahead for the best possible escape route. Granted, there may be scenarios where there *are* no escape routes...

I'm not sure how Rossi might handle the above scenario, he's probably not used to seeing anyone in his mirrors

[Honclfibr]

Originally posted by tumor
who's beet

I don't see it. Too much punctuation. Not enough smilies

[PinHead]

My 2 cents.
If you ride, all the other riders are your brothers and sisters so watch there back. I've riden with with members from all kinds of clubs and we all seem to have 1 thing in common, WE LOVE TO RIDE ! Help the biking community as a whole and support this if you will.

ed

[beet]

Originally posted by oreo_n2
are you related to beet?

dont get me in this
tumer who the fuck says you can ride with me

[beet]

Originally posted by PinHead
My 2 cents.
If you ride, all the other riders are your brothers and sisters so watch there back. I've riden with with members from all kinds of clubs and we all seem to have 1 thing in common, WE LOVE TO RIDE ! Help the biking community as a whole and support this if you will.

ed

for the most i would rather ride alone , its safer more fun .the truth is your alone any ways . ive seen my share of crashes .& the only time i have ever been down on the street it was my own stupid fault ............................... seen 2 last year in the same day i was involved in 1 of um .....

[JCsGrly]

Originally posted by zombie
Whats that supposed to mean and how do I put this

fuck off

mick you always have a way of making me laugh

[Rice-rocket1]

Think of all the fun we would miss with out Mick

[beet]

Originally posted by zombie
Whats that supposed to mean and how do I put this

fuck off

[PinHead]

[jsven007]

I think some people in this thread are still stuck in middle school, or would that be pre-school.

Be nice to tumor, I am sure he means well.

Seems to me that what tumor was trying to say is that all accidents can be avoided by an experienced, alert motorcyclist

Turn the 'all' into a 'most' and I will agree.

..for the most i would rather ride alone, its safer more fun

I think that group riding is safer in some respects, and a lot more fun After all, isn't NESR about bringing riders together??

I had some close calls with accidents, mostly due to inexperience. But, I always keep my eyes on the road and the cars/bikes around me. I try to leave an 'escape route' in the event that someone will cut me off, or pull in front of me.

You start with a bag full of luck and an empty bag of experience. The trick is to fill the bag of experience before the bag of luck runs out.

[rui93]

Ok.....GOING BACK TO WHAT THIS POST WAS ABOUT....

Spence it was great to meet you, and glad to hear you're ok. This winter sucked and the result is a lot of sand in the streets. Once again glad you are ok....

Hey Mick is this the first thing Spence did after the crash???

[DaSpence]

Hey Rui it was great meeting you, and Rice-Rocket at the blessing. Hopefully I'll see you guys at the track this summer or on rides.

yes im inexperenced but crashes come with that. I was going around a blind bend and by the time I saw the sand it was too late because as I was going around the bend I was looking to my exit not at the ground.....you go to where you look. it was to late to correct myself to an upright postion, so I took the fall and walk away knowing what happened and im glad I crashed, it was good to get one out of the way.

[Rice-rocket1]

Originally posted by DaSpence
Hey Rui it was great meeting you, and Rice-Rocket at the blessing. Hopefully I'll see you guys at the track this summer or on rides.

I'm sure we'll seeyou out there at some point

Originally posted by DaSpence
I think some people in this thread are still stuck in middle school, or would that be pre-school. -jsven007

yea well im in high school, Tumor Fuck Off
And I really dont feel sorry saying that to someone i've never encountered before.......