[Sbk12rs]

Originally posted by hessogood
For everyone that isn't a licensed racer, don't forget there are a bunch of benefits to getting certified by an accredited race school.

For example. you won't be limited to strictly trackdays. You can go up and run open practice thursdays and fridays before race weekends for 50 - 100 bucks, or you could register for one race / weekend and run 4 practice sessions for the $50 registration fee. You don't even have to go out and grid up for the race.

There are lots of trackday organizations that also give a great discount if you hold a race license. Doesn't matter if you've never even entered a race.

I'll ask again ,, With the STARR SCHOOL Cert. I'm able to do these things ???

[R7]

Originally posted by Sbk12rs
I'll ask again ,, With the STARR SCHOOL Cert. I'm able to do these things ???

Honestly?
Here's what they will ask for when you sign up for open practice Thursday or friday..
...Will that be cash or credit card?
... What number is on your bike?
... try and stay in the group that fits you best, be safe and have fun.

I'm sure your Starr school cert will be fine... and you can probably leave it at home

[hessogood]

Originally posted by Sbk12rs
I'll ask again ,, With the STARR SCHOOL Cert. I'm able to do these things ???

I don't think I agree with mark. I would believe you would need a CCS license. Might be able to get into open practice, but definitly not the race practice on the weekends. Talk to LRRS, neither Mark or I can say for sure what they'll allow.

[R7]

Sorry for the confusion, I was talking about Thursday and Friday open practice sessions, not the Saturday and Sunday morning practice Saturday and Sunday I know for sure you need the CCS license for

[a13x]

CLARIFICATION:

Thursday Practices are run by NHIS: Race School Cert is OKAY to get on track.

Friday Practices are run by Penguin: Race School Cert is OKAY to get on track.

Both Thursday and Friday's are halfdays. Not 100% sure on the cost for Thursdays (think it was around 100-125) but the track is normally empty. There are NO sessions, just open track. Friday is $70 and you normally get 3 sessions in if things run smooth. It's split up into groups.

For both I believe you have to have a Race School Cert that's within a year old. Over a year and it's no longer valid. Not 100% on that either.. check with Penguin (for Friday) or NHIS (for Thursday).

[Sbk12rs]

thanks all !

[s a x m a n]

before I commit to this and start sending more money to degs for the three days at VIR

after I complete the saturday cornerspeed class, I can show up to loudon, do my rookie race and get my lisence ... correct??

[OreoGitorio]

From what I've been told by Alex, CCS rules state you must complete an approved Race School and register for a CCS race... the whole Rookie Race deal is a Penguin thing, so you don't even have to do that from what I understand.

And yes, the Cornerspeed Level I will take place of the Penguin school (and rookie race) from what I understand.

[hessogood]

Originally posted by s a x m a n
before I commit to this and start sending more money to degs for the three days at VIR

after I complete the saturday cornerspeed class, I can show up to loudon, do my rookie race and get my lisence ... correct??

Like I said or meant to say. Don't trust the word of anyone on the board, call CCS or LRRS and get 100% confirmation and details of exactly what you need to do and what they'll allow. You can get 100 opinions on here, but a 'no' from one official and they won't mean a thing.

[Degsy]

Cornerspeed IS DEFINITELY a racing school approved by both WERA AND CCS.

For what it's worth, I would actually like someone to call LRRS (what's the 'phone number???) and ask them if they will accept it in 2006. Basically, you can send your cornerspeed certificate to WERA or CCS for your racing licence. LRRS takes CCS and WERA licences for race entry so you have no problem.

Now, if you actually call LRRS, who the heck knows what they will tell you. It probably depends on who answers the 'phone (if you can find a phone number that will be answered)

derek

[Degsy]

Aaron Stevenson's Cornerspeed™ Riderschool

About Cornerspeed™

Cornerspeed™ is the official riderschool for VIR (Virginia International Raceway). Fully accredited by WERA and CCS, students that complete the course are eligible for their provisional racing license. For graduates that do not wish to race, their certification will allow them to participate in track days held at VIR and other track days held at different road courses around the country. SAFETY FIRST is what we instill in each student. From preparing the bike to learning the track, the safety of all riders is most important. In the classroom, all of the basic information required by the sanctioning organizations are covered.

Do I have to intend on racing to attend Cornerspeed?

Absolutely not. The majority of our students just want to be better riders. What you learn in class with Cornerspeed will make you a better, safer rider on the street. Street riders find that they are smoother and more confident after attending a class with Cornerspeed. As always, we do not recommend high speed riding on the street. Save that for the track. Remember, a track day costs far less than an attorney and a traffic ticket.

What is the main emphasis of the school curriculum?

Our emphasis is on cornerspeed and smoothness which is what every roadracer relys upon to win races. We define and discuss types of turns, pavement and elevation changes, parts of the turn: entrance, mid-corner and exit, setting up for the turns and how to put it all together. Anyone can go fast in a straight line, it's how your corner that sets you apart from the average rider. Being relaxed and smooth on the bike is every rider's ultimate goal. After that, it's easy to go fast.

Do I bring my own bike?

Yes. Many schools rent bikes for the day or the bikes are included with the price of the school but we would rather you ride the bike you know best which is your own bike. That way, you don't have to spend the day learning to ride a different motorcycle. You can spend the day working on technique and improving your riding. By riding your own bike, you can readily feel and see improvements in your riding. When a student raises the point of not wanting to crash their personal bike, we respond by saying, "Slow down and ride within your limits", Finding your personal limit and your bike's limit is a gradual process and shouldn't be attempted in one outing. Take your time, enjoy the day, learn new things, take your body and bike home in one piece. When you finish the day, your knee pucks and tires should be the only things that have been on the ground.

How much does it cost and what's included?

The cost for Cornerspeed's Riderschool at VIR is $375 unless otherwise stated or in conjunction with another offer. The cost of tuition includes but is not limited to the following: Free Motul Lubricants and products (shipped direct to you by Motul), school handbook, t-shirt, lunch, bottled water throughout the day, energy drinks, discount coupons from our other sponsors, over 2 hrs. of track time, classroom lectures and one-on-one trackside feedback from your instructors.

What's the school schedule for a typical day ?

We start early. The gates open at 6:30am. Our registration and tech opens at 7am. After passing through tech (bikes and helmets), students will line their bikes up beside the classroom entrance to expedite going from the classroom to the racetrack. We get started shortly after 8am. Typically, you spend about 30 minutes inside for a lecture then a 20 minute session on track with your instructors each hour. Each on track session focuses on the previous lecture so you work on the material that's just been discussed. If you're looking for the missing 10 minutes each hour, they are used for suiting up and talking to your instructors before and after each session. Wondering about the student/instructor ratio? We have a maximum of 3 students per instructor and many times our ratio is less than 2 students per instructor (24 students/14 instructors, you get the picture). If we're not in the classroom, we're riding on the racetrack. We break for lunch (included with your school tuition) at noon. When possible, we have a lunchtime guest speaker. Lectures and tracktime fill your day which culminates in an optional mock race at the end of the day. If it is raining at the end of the day, the mock race is replaced with a lecture on riding in rain and an on track rain riding session. How many track sessions was that? Seven 20 minute sessions plus a mock race: that's a lot of tracktime!

I don't have leathers. Can I rent leathers?

Yes. We now rent the finest racing leathers made, Vanson Leathers. We have a variety of sizes but quantities are limited so make sure you reserve your set ahead of time.

Can I buy tires and get them changed at the race track?

Yes. Cornerspeed is a Pirelli tire vendor. We stock all Pirelli tires from rains and intermediates to DOT race and slicks. Mounting and balancing is included when you purchase tires from us. We also stock Chicken Hawk Tire Warmers, Pit Bull stands and a variety of track necessities.

Where's the details?

Click on the Schedule page. You'll find most of the information you need right there. The subhead buttons have information on how a typical day goes, rider gear, bike requirements, hotel accomodations, student comments, etc. You'll also find on-bike videos on the Photo page so you can take a lap around the track. Click here to download a copy of our current brochure.

Track Days and Practice

All Standard Cornerspeed school days are track days*. Our standard format is three groups (20 minute sessions): riderschool, sport enthusiast (those riders that have completed an accredited track school**) and licensed racer. These are separate groups. We do not over sell our events. On the north course at VIR, there will only be 25 paid riders per group. Safety is our number one goal. You deserve an unconjested track and we do what we can to keep it fun and safe for everyone. If you've already been to school and want to ride then ride with us. Costs vary depending on the day and roadcourse. Track day prices for enthusiasts and racers are usually about half the cost of school. Requirements and registration forms are found under the Schedule heading. Licensed racers; here's your opportunity to get more track time. We work hard to insure that everyone gets equal track time.

*PLEASE NOTE: Schools held in conjunction with sanctioned race week-ends will not have a Sport Enthusiast group. These Friday Open Practices are for students and licensed racers only. Check the schedule for exact dates.

**PLEASE NOTE: Diplomas older than 24 months will not be accepted unless you can furnish proof of continued track day participation. This is for your safety and the safety of your fellow riders. Knowledge unused is knowledge that is lost.

I'm not ready for a school yet but I'd like to get on a racetrack. We have Track Days for Street Riders.

Cornerspeed also hosts track days for dealers and clubs. These track days do not have the full school. We, at Cornerspeed, adminstrate and control the activities to insure everyone's safety. These events are great opportunities for street riders to sample the track in a controlled enviroment. In most cases, it's all the motivation you need to enroll into our school. Most of these non-school track days are open to all riders but some events have specific requirements.

What is the youngest age that I can sign up my son or daughter?

We will individually assess younger riders to make sure they are ready to be in a high speed environment. We have taken students as young as 13 years old. If you have a son or daughter that you would like to enroll, you can call the office to discuss the possibility of enrolling your child in a course with Cornerspeed.

Risk, what you should think about and health insurance.

You already own and ride a motorcycle. You know that motorcycling is a sport that contains high risk like mountain biking, rock climbing or any other adrenaline sport. Cornerspeed and the associated race facilities are not healthcare providers. You must have your own valid health insurance coverage. We also strongly advise you to always remember that a day at the track is just for fun. There are no factory team racing scouts watching to see if you're going to be the next Valentino Rossi or Nicky Hayden. You should always ride within your limits and use good judgement. We do everything we can to make sure your experience is safe and fun. Ultimately, you are in control of your actions and decisions.

V.I.R. instituting ambulance transport surcharges. $200 per carry to the hospital.

As everyone knows, prices to ride at a track day or host a track day rise every year. We just found out starting in 2005 that VIR will be charging $200 for every ambulance transport. This is all the more reason not to fall off your motorcycle or go "farming" through the soil at VIR. We already require that you have medical insurance so this is just one more part of the ongoing changes with insurance, healthcare and track management. You will now be required to sign a waiver that makes YOU, THE RIDER, responsible for the cost of the ambulance ride to the hospital just the same as if you fell off your street bike on a back road and have to pay the hospital EMS. If the ambulance transports you to the hospital you will be billed for the $200 ride. It will be the fallen rider's responsibility to obtain reimbursement from his/her insurance carrier. We apologize for the additional burden but we hope that this will make everyone more aware of safety and ride even more within their limits. As we have always said, "A day at the track is just for fun. There are no pro scouts or money purses being paid out so ride within your limits." Hopefully, no one will have to ride to the hospital but if you do, please be advised that it's not going to be a free ride.

[a13x]

Originally posted by OreoGaborio
the whole Rookie Race deal is a Penguin thing, so you don't even have to do that from what I understand.

I'm not 100% on that one point. The rest I'm confident about. Either way, if you showed up and HAD to do the Rookie Race (with a non-Penguin Cert) it wouldn't cost you anything. So no big deal.

Email Penguin. The address is on the website and they know that shit frontways, sideways, and upside down. Simple questions.

"If I get a CCS-Approved Cert from a different school, am I required to ride in the Rookie Race at LRRS before I'm able to receive my CCS License"

See. Easy.

[Sbk12rs]

**PLEASE NOTE: Diplomas older than 24 months will not be accepted unless you can furnish proof of continued track day participation. This is for your safety and the safety of your fellow riders. Knowledge unused is knowledge that is lost.


Tony , this is what I was asking about in an eailier post about going the " NEXT " step ?? Maybe some sort of certification or piece of damn paper that states we made it around the track without hurting ourselves or anyone else ???? This may be more of the administrative Crap than what its worth for you ,,,, just throwing it out there .

[Degsy]

Originally posted by a13x

"If I get a CCS-Approved Cert from a different school, am I required to ride in the Rookie Race at LRRS before I'm able to receive my CCS License"

See. Easy.

Alex, think about what you are saying. CCS licenses racing at dozens of tracks. Why would they require all their licencees to fly to New Hamshire and take the LRRS rookie race before giving them a licence?

CCS don't care where you are from, don't care where you will be racing, don't care about anything except the fact that you have done an approved school and sent them $120 or whatever it is for the licence.

CCS give you your race licence, NOT LRRS. Penguin gives you a "temp" licence which is just like the diploma you get from any approved school.

derek

[Ken C]

True that you'll certainly get a CCS license, but if Jerry Wood says you can't race at Loudon until you take Penguin or do a Rookie race, it means you can't race with LRRS! Call HIM!

[hessogood]

Just do the cornerspeed and send this in.

http://www.lrrsracing.com/2006/06%20_renewal_App.pdf


I don't know if the $60 required race thing is BS or what, I don't see any mention of it from CCS. Penguin claimed it was a CCS requirement to get licensed. I don't know about that.

Now can we get back on track and talk about how awesome the trackday will be?

[OreoGitorio]

Originally posted by hessogood
Now can we get back on track and talk about how awesome the trackday will be?

this trackday is gonna be so frikkin awesome, it's gonna be frikkin sharks w/ frikkin lazer beams on their frikkin heads awesome

[a13x]

Originally posted by Degsy
Alex, think about what you are saying. CCS licenses racing at dozens of tracks. Why would they require all their licencees to fly to New Hamshire and take the LRRS rookie race before giving them a licence?

Yes but as it was so eloquently pointed out to me recently (elsewhere) LRRS is merely sanctioned by CCS and has it's one unique rule set.


The trackday is going to KICKBUTT. Too bad my bike won't be together at that point.

[35racer]

Originally posted by Sbk12rs
**PLEASE NOTE: Diplomas older than 24 months will not be accepted unless you can furnish proof of continued track day participation. This is for your safety and the safety of your fellow riders. Knowledge unused is knowledge that is lost.


Tony , this is what I was asking about in an eailier post about going the " NEXT " step ?? Maybe some sort of certification or piece of damn paper that states we made it around the track without hurting ourselves or anyone else ???? This may be more of the administrative Crap than what its worth for you ,,,, just throwing it out there .

I have no problem generating a "certificate" for someone that attends our events. However, since we are not a "sanctioned" school... it wouldn't account for much other than to show continued attendance... which the above is the first time I've heard of anyone caring.

Bottom line is that I will generate a "certificate" and make them available to anyone that asks.

(to clarify... attendance at TonysTrackDays is not sufficient to get you out of the Cornerspeed school requirement... but maybe if you attended an accredited school a while back... then attendance at our events should qualify as continued participation)

[Jaynnus]

Ok...I have not been keeping up with this thread as I had immediately written this trip off for me when I started to hear the words 'race licence'.....

fuck it....I'm in!! VIR was so awesome last year I cannot imagine missing it this year. Besides, that means riding in March....only 3 months and 3 weeks to go!!!!

So guys, watch out for the blue R6 with the pink tape!!!

[OreoGitorio]

[gmdboston]

[i]So guys, watch out for the blue R6 with the pink tape!!! [/b]

And the string???????

[Sbk12rs]

Originally posted by 35racer
I have no problem generating a "certificate" for someone that attends our events. However, since we are not a "sanctioned" school... it wouldn't account for much other than to show continued attendance... which the above is the first time I've heard of anyone caring.

Bottom line is that I will generate a "certificate" and make them available to anyone that asks.

(to clarify... attendance at TonysTrackDays is not sufficient to get you out of the Cornerspeed school requirement... but maybe if you attended an accredited school a while back... then attendance at our events should qualify as continued participation)

Tony , pm sent !

[35racer]

As far as the Rookie race thing...

When I was racing, the Rookie Race was merely a "practice race" that was automatically included in your FIRST real race entry fee.

I'm pretty sure you will not have any problem getting an LRRS license based on the cornerspeed school.

However, f I'm not mistaken, you don't need a LRRS license to race at Loudon... you can get by with a CCS license.

I would post this question on the NEAR list or email Don Hutchinson directly from the LRRS website.

[mattrsvr]

Degs, I am defineitly doing it again this year! I would'nt miss it for the world and I'm actually even more exicted this year because of the school.If anyone is on the fence about doing this, they should sign up and not miss this fantastic event. Matt