[TheIglu]

So i bought this motor bottom end for my pit bike using a "buy it now" thing. There was no option to bid, just the buy it now.

Picture shows no issues, discription mentioned no issues. "Taken out of a bike with a bent valve".

Open the box. Left side engine case has a cylinder bolt snapped off in it, the rear motor mount is cracked and it looks like a chain let go and ripped apart the case all around the sprocket. I email the guy immediatly and ask if there is a mutually agreeable solution to this. The reply:

"i mentioned everything i saw.and i didnt see either of those.you can leave a negative.i will do the same because i know its worth alot more than i sold it for.the electronics are worth that much.im sorry.but if you want to leave negative feedback,then it is your right and i will do the same.my sorry"

then another message a minute later:

"actually i have another 98 bottom,i just havent listed it,because i havent taken the electronics off yet."

So I reply:

"It's going to cost us both more than it's worth in shipping to swap motors, it'll be a loose/loose situation for both of us.

Both issues are with the left (stator side) engine case half. Do you happen to have just one of those laying around?

If you are willing to pay the shipping I can send this one back, time isn't an issue for me. A left side engine case would probably be just as good though and cheaper.

Thoughts/ideas? I have perfect feedback and yours is nearly 100%. I hope we can work through this and both be happy."

Then I get this in reply:

"if you were to ship that back to me.in the exact same shape as when i sent it to you.you can ship it anyway you like.when it gets here i can refund the exact shipping amount you paid.and send you this other bottom end,but it does have both side covers removed and clutch basket and electronics gone.let me know thanks"

Mind you, the engine bottom I purchased for the price HE set included all the electronics, clutch, etc. So I reply:

"So let me get this straight:

I send you back the motor, you send me another minus a clutch and electronics for the same price?

No thanks. I will however take the electronics and clutch off this one and send it back. Then you can send me the other good one and I'll get what I paid for which was a complete bottom end with what was described in the ad.

Remember, YOU set the buy it now price, not me. -i will do the same because i know its worth alot more than i sold it for.- Then why did YOU set the price as a buy it now? If you think it's worth so much, pay for the return shipping, refund all my money and sell it for what it's really worth.

I would leave negative feedback because the product you sold was defective. You would leave feedback because YOU set the price too low? How is that my fault? Seriously...and what would you say in the negative feedback? Didn't pay enough?

Then again we can just let Ebay and Paypal decide who is in the right. I'm fine with that as well. "

I get the reply:

"yeah but i gotta cover shipping.no problem ,i will take negative feedback!"

and then

"item as-is as stated.i think you are trying to get a free part.and thats what my feedback will say,i cant please everyone when i deal so many parts .so no problem with negative feedback!"

I reply

"Free part? Free part is me saying -give me my money back and you can't have the part back-. I offered to send it back for a refund.

I offered two solutions that would be CHEAP on your behalf and would make the customer happy.

Shall I take some pictures of the OBVIOUS issues for you? The broken stud in the case renders the case USELESS. I opened the box and not 5 seconds into my inspection I found both issues. You can't see them in the picture but the person dismantling the bike sure would know it if they broke a bolt holding the cylinder on the case. It is your duty as the seller to accurately describe the product you are selling.

I think I'm being MORE than fair. It would be easy to make me happy, negate the sale, I get my money back and you get your -undervalued- motor back.

If you want negative feedback, you got it."

So basically he'll lie to say I'm trying to get a free part if I leave negative feedback. I have 100% positive Ebaying experience and never ran into an issue like this.

I just want a decent motor bottom end, that's all. Left side XR80 engine cases are hard to come by on Ebay and I would rather not have to buy a whole set of gaskets.

Item ID 260040974472

Opinions? Recommendations?

[richw]

Is he close enough for a visit

[highsider]

File a dispute through paypal, they will hold the money up from his account. My Dad actually lost $350 when he sold a set of Mercedes headlights, the buyer filed a claim with paypal, and my Dad ignored him, so they just took the money out of his account.

I love e-bay.

[hessogood]

file disputes with e-bay and whichever pay method you used now before it's too late. The longer you go the less chance you have at any resolution.

[wylee]

Originally posted by highsider
File a dispute through paypal, they will hold the money up from his account. My Dad actually lost $350 when he sold a set of Mercedes headlights, the buyer filed a claim with paypal, and my Dad ignored him, so they just took the money out of his account.

I love e-bay.

That won't work because he did send you something. Hell, if he has proof of shipping, he could've sent an empty box for all Paypal cares. Bastards...Paypal and Ebay...one and the same.

[TheIglu]

Problem with filing a claim is that ebay says it has to be significantly different from the description. He never mentioned any of the issues even though they were very appartent.

I don't think I have any ground to stand on when filing a claim.

I guess we could just have everyone we know flood him with questions about every ad he is selling asking if they have broken studs and cracked motor mounts.....it won't get my money back or a left side engine case but it would make me happy

[highsider]

Originally posted by TheIglu


I guess we could just have everyone we know flood him with questions about every ad he is selling asking if they have broken studs and cracked motor mounts.....it won't get my money back or a left side engine case but it would make me happy

Post the fucker's e-bay screen name and e-mail address, I have at least three e-bay names I can bug him with.

[TheIglu]

I don't know if that is a thing to do if you are a good person.

On a completely unrelated note, I bought the item from vacyclesalvage

[Punjistick]

Ebay sucks and feedback is essentially useless. They have no real way of enforcing anything. Someone needs to invent a better way to do business online.

I think the best course of action is report the guy to ebay asap. It's probably not going to do anything but might give him a hard time.

[Doc]

What I hate is when I pay for an Item... effectively holding up my part of the agreement and the seller waits for me to send feedback before I do.

That is BS. I paid, Now it is the seller who needs to come through on there end.

I hate that.

So I email the seller, tell them I am awaiting feedback before I post feedback. What ya gonna do?

You could post Negative and go through the resolution process. (both parties need to agree to remove the feedback) plus remeber youo can respond to his feedback too.

I highly reccomend trying to show this guy you mean business and will not go away easily.

File with Ebay.

[Cue Ball]

This is why I no Ebay......

[Doc]

So you gave him Neutral?

[FNG]

Originally posted by TheIglu
I I bought the item from vacyclesalvage

As in Cycle salavge? Those guys have been around for a long time if it is the same ones I bought a tank from back in 1989.
If it the same I am suprised they would hose you.
Lee

[hessogood]

Have you tried calling them, an old business likely has an old guy that's not too good with computers. They can't understand the wierd markings in electronic mails very good.

[Honclfibr]

You should get a couple of big guys to lift him up.

Then, tell him he can't come down until you get a refund. And a hottub. And some sort of crane.

[Dianne]

Originally posted by wylee
That won't work because he did send you something. Hell, if he has proof of shipping, he could've sent an empty box for all Paypal cares. Bastards...Paypal and Ebay...one and the same.

You paid via PayPal so your complaint against this lame ass needs to begin there. You can indeed file a complaint with them under the premise "Item not received as described". The money you sent the lame ass for your broken bits will be frozen within his account until resolution can be reached. Once you file your complaint with PayPal, they will send lame ass an email informing him of said complaint. Furthermore, the next time he signs in to his account, there will be a message from PayPal on his screen that he would have to be blind to miss.

Even if he has already spent your money, they will STILL freeze the amount you paid him within his account and if the funds arent available in his PayPal balance, they will make his account balance in the negative in order to freeze the amount. If you are the victor of the complaint process they will pull the money out of his bank account and/or credit card to get you your refund.

He will have 10 days to "resolve" the matter by either giving you a refund, partial refund or what have you. If he doesnt not abide through the resolution process, you will be the defaulted victor and your money will be refunded to you automatically through PayPal.

PM me or email me if you need any help, as I have extensive experience in such matters.

On the eBay feedback issue, ask yourself how important is your reputation? Dont make the first strike. Chances are if you leave no feedback at all he will do the same. Always give yourself the opportunity to be the last person in the transaction as this gives you the opportunity to get the last word. You can also reply to any feedback he leaves you so other members will be able to see your remarks when they see his comment.

Again, let me know if you need any help. There are few things I like more than putting a deadbeat eBayer in a vice grip.

[Dianne]

Originally posted by TheIglu
Problem with filing a claim is that ebay says it has to be significantly different from the description. He never mentioned any of the issues even though they were very appartent.

I don't think I have any ground to stand on when filing a claim.

I guess we could just have everyone we know flood him with questions about every ad he is selling asking if they have broken studs and cracked motor mounts.....it won't get my money back or a left side engine case but it would make me happy

Whats his screen name? Linkies to his current items?

You cant leave a girl hanging like that....