Obtaining CCW in MA for competitive shooting

[zxme]

Zxme, Please do me a favor, and don't ever run for political office. It is this type of thinking that is wrong with Mass gun laws. Comparing drivers licenses and your LTC is a bit off base (and is what the anti gun people do). The Constitution of the United States of America does not guarantee you the right to drive a car.

Not only should Mondo not have to "wait" to get his LTC, it should be given to him automaticly upon his return to the states free of charge ( I won't get into my feeling that there should be no such thing as LTC/CCW permits- VT has the right idea). He's been trusted with the safety of our nation, but in your thinking he can not be trusted protecting his own life (until he pays $200 for a class that is nothing more than another "tax" on his rights).

It is exactly this thinking of "it's for your own good" that has turned this state into a "Nanny State". Our forefathers were very clear with the words "shall not be infringed".

Please do not pass your slanted views on firearms on to "new shooters", they may think you speak for all gun owners, and that a few "restrictions" are ok.

so on all your restrictions you still went for your license to carry? couldnt pass it up???? You and my views did it THEIR way.....

[Mondo]

If your a state trooper then yea I don't think you should go through the training course either. I'm a realist, I paid to take the course, I just think its stupid and pointless for someone who is around weapons as much as I am. The list of firarms I've shot is pretty darn long, im an expert marksman both rifle and pistol, and have never had a ND with the hundreds of times ive been on a range. I also qualify at least three times a year. Do i think they should still do a background check? Yes, obviously I'm not disagreeing with that at all. There are whacko's throughout society (even in the military sometimes).

And comparing shooting since you were 10 in the woods and being trained by the Army as an Infantry officer are kinda not really even close. At least they (the police chiefs) know in the military you get formal instruction and that the military is serious when it comes to weapons safety (handling, etc).

Yes I want to move to NH, can I right now no. Can I bitch about how much Massachusetts sucks when it comes to laws and regulations such as this? Yes. I THINK ITS FUCKEN STUPID. Can I change the laws? No, so I live with them.

[obsolete]

I actually think the only limitation should be you proving your proficiency. I think proper gun safety should be promoted through the NRA and gun shops. Also just as Mondo brought up, new owners need to learn how to use them safely and properly.

PS the crime rate arguement does not really apply due to the difference in population saturation and other demographic reasons.

[Mondo]

EXACTLY

People can do the course, pass the requirements, and still be absolute retards when it comes to shooting and have no knowledge of firearms safety.

[FlynGSXR1k]

PS the crime rate arguement does not really apply due to the difference in population saturation and other demographic reasons.

I disagree. Straight up.. I take the stand if you're in a state where you know people can carry freely, you're simply not gonna fuck with people.

On an added note, my friend Patty sent me this link of interest... A car dealer in MO is offering free AK-47's with the purchase of a truck. (liberal) CNN tore him apart for it, I think he did a great job keeping his cool:

http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/ne...tml#post322479

[obsolete]

You wanna use that arguement with NM? Just cause you "think" think things should be a certain way doesn't mean they are.

[FlynGSXR1k]

You wanna use that arguement with NM? Just cause you "think" think things should be a certain way doesn't mean they are.

...and the same applies to the reverse.

[obsolete]

Dude, it's not an absolute. Gun laws and crime rate do not have a direct correlation and saying that a place has a high / low crime rate because of strict / loose gun laws is false and misleading. It's a non sequitur and something both sides jerk off. It ruins arguments because it's flat wrong. Stick with the fact that we have a right to bear arms.

Example:

Albuquerque: damn near no gun laws - high crime
DC: Strict guns laws - high crime
NYC: strict gun laws - very much reduced crime

It's a wash and can not attributed to gun laws. Gun proponents and opponents have examples on each side. The only rational explanation: There are too many factors to make a blanket statement that gun laws and crime have a direct correlation.

[FlynGSXR1k]

As you say, DUDE....

I never stated it was an absolute... just one of many factors. I just don't buy it as an excuse is all. nuff said

[Mondo]

good point Alex

majority of gun crimes are committed by people who have guns illegally. People who legally buy guns statistically are usually law abiding citizens.

[obsolete]

I take the stand if you're in a state where you know people can carry freely, you're simply not gonna fuck with people

That is all you said, and thats what I was adressing. It is a point that some gun owners love to make because it makes carryign a gun sound badass but it is simply not true. There are plenty of places that have loose gun laws that people fuck with each other all the time.

[Stiggy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlzoL-wQwio

[tonup]

some beer and about pissed my pants. That made my day!

[Omahastylin16]

one of the primary reasons for me getting the hell out of MA

[Mondo]

we should just have a sticky that says "firearms...discuss" cause they always get way off topic lol

[morganater]

Screw Mass.. just move to NH... had it in 14 days, completely unrestricted.... Mass just sucks!

Move to Alaska. Go to firearms store. Buy any size handgun, fill out a few forms. Strap to waist and walk around 100% legally.

[toocrazy2yoo]

Gonna do what I want. Who here amongst us wouldn't plug the bad guy, spit in his cold, dead eyes, step over his dumb ass and move along with life? Me, I'm sick to death of the culture that says "Don't warehouse our young men in jail", said young men being bangers, rapers, robbers, bandits and sorely in need of a round in the forehead where it will do (all of us) the most good. No one's gonna figure me to carry concealed, I'm old, grey and ride an old man's bike. It's all good.

[Omahastylin16]

Gonna do what I want. Who here amongst us wouldn't plug the bad guy, spit in his cold, dead eyes, step over his dumb ass and move along with life? Me, I'm sick to death of the culture that says "Don't warehouse our young men in jail", said young men being bangers, rapers, robbers, bandits and sorely in need of a round in the forehead where it will do (all of us) the most good. No one's gonna figure me to carry concealed, I'm old, grey and ride an old man's bike. It's all good.

...right wing radical

[second_amen]

MA CCW = Unrestricted Class A LTC. And that is up to issuing authority.

If they deny you, I have some advise:

Appeal it with the review board

And....

VOTE THEIR ARSE OUT OF OFFICE THE NEXT ELECTION!
(yes... that's right folks... police cheifs are elected officials!)

[snwbrdr435]

^ you joined just to bump an old thread?

[nilez]

^ you joined just to bump an old thread?

hahaha, dedication!

[Slyder]

I'd also like to add that VT is a lot closer than AK for the same benefits for gun owners.

And the crime rates here are lower. People can sputter about demographics all they want. Anyone living in VT knows damn well that house over there has guns in it. That house next to it, guess what? Yea. There's guns there too. Hey that other house down the road...

[dhuze]

^ you joined just to bump an old thread?

It's election season, and judging by his screen name he does have an agenda. A good one though.

[Garandman]

OP, (if you haven't forgotten about this thread) if you are willing to say, what town do you live in?

Screw Mass.. just move to NH... had it in 14 days, completely unrestricted.... Mass just sucks!

Yeah, move to NH, that way when you come to MA we'll know you are unarmed! It's very easy to get a non-resident permit to carry in NH if you have a CCW in MA, but more difficult and expensive to get one in MA if you live in NH.

What you propose is exactly what the gun grabbers want you to do! If you really support the 2nd Amendment, you should move to Massachusetts. Some people seem not to have noticed that Ted Kennedy is dead and that Scott Brown was elected in his place. And BTW, you better pay attention to what is going on in your own state.

Massachusetts has more firearm competitions than all the other five New England States combined. GOAL's intro to IDPA course is excellent.

[R1]

OP, (if you haven't forgotten about this thread) if you are willing to say, what town do you live in?

Yeah, move to NH, that way when you come to MA we'll know you are unarmed! It's very easy to get a non-resident permit to carry in NH if you have a CCW in MA, but more difficult and expensive to get one in MA if you live in NH.

What you propose is exactly what the gun grabbers want you to do! If you really support the 2nd Amendment, you should move to Massachusetts. Some people seem not to have noticed that Ted Kennedy is dead and that Scott Brown was elected in his place. And BTW, you better pay attention to what is going on in your own state.

Massachusetts has more firearm competitions than all the other five New England States combined. GOAL's intro to IDPA course is excellent.

I live in Dracut, recently my neighbor went for his class A. No convictions or arrests (very clean record) they gave him a class A with restrictions. he can only use a gun for competitive purposes was what he was told. he can not transport his gun and ammo together (meaning gun in the glove box ammo in trunk or some shit like that) and there were a couple other things he mentioned that made it ver complicated for basic gun ownership. and from the conversations we had he grew up with guns and had no issues in the town he previously lived in....

go figure.

as for us right now its become a cost vs reward basis and until we have both the cost of a weapon and all estimated fees (including if need be a lawyer to draft up the documents for us) this is on the back burner so to speak. but from what I have been reading this process is clearly defined and its just a matter of how much money do you want to spend and how many hoops are you willing to jump through.