familiar with Tuneboy?

[FriskyDingo]

first post in the new forum

I don't see it listed on your site but are you familiar with Tuneboy, seems to be the only option out there for tuning the KTM 690 SM. Or do you know of any other options for tuning the KTM, seems the power commander has been "awaiting production" for the 690 for over a year. Planning some exhaust and intake mods over the winter that will defintely need some fine tuning.

[Kurlon]

I haven't used a Tuneboy myself yet, but I have been following the progress of it's adaptation to the 690 over on SMJ... seems it's still a bit temperamental.

[nt650hawk]

I know JD does with 675's
http://www.hordpower.com/

[FriskyDingo]

Originally Posted by Kurlon

but I have been following the progress of it's adaptation to the 690 over on SMJ... seems it's still a bit temperamental.

same here, sounds as if some guys have it working while others are having major issues. I'm not looking for max HP just smooth running, no stalling and correct fueling after the exhaust/airbox mod.

Originally Posted by nt650hawk

I know JD does with 675's
http://www.hordpower.com/

thanks, good to know, wasn't sure there were any local Tuneboy tuners with the popularity of the power commander. Which I would choose over the tuneboy, but it seems as if there are ignoring the KTM 690s

[nt650hawk]

Originally Posted by FriskyDingo

thanks, good to know, wasn't sure there were any local Tuneboy tuners

Not quite sure he lis local unless you think Ohio is local. He is a great Guy. I would suggest giving him a call.

[Kurlon]

I don't think it's a matter of Dynojet ignoring the KTM 690 as much as KTM's choice of ECUs makes it hard to stick a PC3/5 in-front of. Dynojet had tons of problems way back when with TL1000s, and Sagem EFI on early Triumphs doesn't 'play well' with PC3's either. I suspect they're running into similar problems, and have learned from the past that it's better to hold off launching till you get it 100% than to deal with the consequences of poorly perceived product on the shelves.

[Robsdyno]

As for tuneboy yes I can do it if you have the cables and software I can do it
Thanks Rob

[Robsdyno]

Hi my name is Robert Swartz the owner of Rob`s Dyno Service my site is www.robsdyno.com and I am here to help answer question and anything else I can do for you?
Rob

[Cerberus]

i spent 1 year dialing in my map on my 2002 Daytona 955i (now sold) with a tuneboy and a wideband O2 sensor doing data acquisition while riding to get real world data for tune mod.

dyno tuning is (imho) deficient in that it does not simulate the air flow of actually going the speed that the wheel is being driven at..

a few of my tunes on t595.net were very well liked and widely used..

[Dieseldan]

Originally Posted by Cerberus

i spent 1 year dialing in my map on my 2002 Daytona 955i (now sold) with a tuneboy and a wideband O2 sensor doing data acquisition while riding to get real world data for tune mod.

dyno tuning is (imho) deficient in that it does not simulate the air flow of actually going the speed that the wheel is being driven at..

a few of my tunes on t595.net were very well liked and widely used..

wow very interesting

[Kurlon]

Originally Posted by Cerberus

i spent 1 year dialing in my map on my 2002 Daytona 955i (now sold) with a tuneboy and a wideband O2 sensor doing data acquisition while riding to get real world data for tune mod.

dyno tuning is (imho) deficient in that it does not simulate the air flow of actually going the speed that the wheel is being driven at..

a few of my tunes on t595.net were very well liked and widely used..

I've heard that theory a few times, but never seen any data-logging showing any appreciable airbox pressurization at speed to back it up. I'd love to borrow a data-logger to test that out if you still have it.

[Cerberus]

Originally Posted by Kurlon

I've heard that theory a few times, but never seen any data-logging showing any appreciable airbox pressurization at speed to back it up. I'd love to borrow a data-logger to test that out if you still have it.

i was using tuneboy's own datalogger app to do the logging.
if you set up a wideband sensor you can set a definition for the values to translate them to the value that would be seen from a narrow band sensor, but offering full range sensing instead of an effectively binary response.

wayne macdonald (creator of tuneboy) was very helpful in this.

also, being that tuneboy's largest obvious market sector seems to be the triumph owners worldwide, t595.net and other triumph sites seem to be the best place to find info on the product and its less well known abilities.

[GNTurbo6]

Yeah Tuneboy rocks but I have a PC3 on my Triumph because it came with it. The benefit of the Tuneboy is you can mess with CO trim and timing whereas with a PCIII you can only do fuel trim. Also Tuneboy has a bunch of diagnostic stuff.

[Kurlon]

Originally Posted by GNTurbo6

Yeah Tuneboy rocks but I have a PC3 on my Triumph because it came with it. The benefit of the Tuneboy is you can mess with CO trim and timing whereas with a PCIII you can only do fuel trim. Also Tuneboy has a bunch of diagnostic stuff.

Heh, the 'CO trim' IS a fuel trim. : )

[Dieseldan]

Originally Posted by Cerberus

i was using tuneboy's own datalogger app to do the logging.
if you set up a wideband sensor you can set a definition for the values to translate them to the value that would be seen from a narrow band sensor, but offering full range sensing instead of an effectively binary response.

wayne macdonald (creator of tuneboy) was very helpful in this.

also, being that tuneboy's largest obvious market sector seems to be the triumph owners worldwide, t595.net and other triumph sites seem to be the best place to find info on the product and its less well known abilities.

hhahahaha WAAAY over my head

[Paul_E_D]

I'm still shying away from it til its working consistently. I put a an FMFQ pipe on and cut the snorkel out and I run the stock map. It's definitely running well with only a little bit of hanging idle. I think that's the only spot where its lean, so I'm not too worried about that for now.

[Cerberus]

Originally Posted by Dieseldan

hhahahaha WAAAY over my head

LOL
ok, simplified; use tuneboy's datalogger app, running in a backpack, hooked into the computer while you ride.

the data stream you record will have many values that are useful in determining fuel and timing needs

if you install a wideband O2 sensor, you can know exactly how far rich or lean you are as opposed to a normal (narrow band sensor) which can only tell you if it is rich or lean, but not by how much.

if pictures help, these two pictures illustrate what the maps (fual and timing) looked like as a 3d graph, both before and after my work.

[seth399]

Originally Posted by Cerberus

i spent 1 year dialing in my map on my 2002 Daytona 955i (now sold) with a tuneboy and a wideband O2 sensor doing data acquisition while riding to get real world data for tune mod.

dyno tuning is (imho) deficient in that it does not simulate the air flow of actually going the speed that the wheel is being driven at..

a few of my tunes on t595.net were very well liked and widely used..

well like you said in your post, you rode real world to fine tune. Dynos should be a baseline before actually riding/racing and when making setup changes, not an end all/be all

[typeone]

Originally Posted by Robsdyno

As for tuneboy yes I can do it if you have the cables and software I can do it
Thanks Rob

Rob, this is great to know, i may be calling you in the spring to fine tune my SXV. i have the cables and software, only been testing two maps this season for my airbox/filter/pipe combo. just learning TuneBoy so i'm going to use the winter to get to know it.

on-road datalogging is sweet, i spent a year on my Buell with ECMSpy and a few other tools to record and study. made a huge difference. definitely a fan of talking directly to the ECM rather than a piggy-back unit.

FWIW, TuneBoy for my Ape has been SUPER temperamental compared to my last ECM software package, pretty disappointing 'cause it ain't cheap!

[Dieseldan]

Originally Posted by Cerberus

LOL
ok, simplified; use tuneboy's datalogger app, running in a backpack, hooked into the computer while you ride.

the data stream you record will have many values that are useful in determining fuel and timing needs

if you install a wideband O2 sensor, you can know exactly how far rich or lean you are as opposed to a normal (narrow band sensor) which can only tell you if it is rich or lean, but not by how much.

if pictures help, these two pictures illustrate what the maps (fual and timing) looked like as a 3d graph, both before and after my work.

wow that is a awesome improvement!

I think i might be bothering you next season when i get my bike back together


thanx

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by Cerberus

dyno tuning is (imho) deficient in that it does not simulate the air flow of actually going the speed that the wheel is being driven at..

If this were true then wouldn't you want to have a separate map for each gear?

[Cerberus]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

If this were true then wouldn't you want to have a separate map for each gear?

Do your research, many manufacturers now do have seperate maps for each gear.

[Kurlon]

Originally Posted by Cerberus

Do your research, many manufacturers now do have seperate maps for each gear.

That's usually to detune the bike at lower speeds/gears though. 9 times out of 10 that remapping gets defeated by a gear position sensor tweak to uncork the bike at all speeds as a first mod.

[Paul_E_D]

gp guys are definitely mapping each gear, sometime for each corner. WSB probably doing it, AMA, very likely, club guys, no, street, no, other than factory detunes as mentioned here.