[xxdcmast]

Are there any performance differences between the two models. I know the pro model has the digital temp selection. But if I got the standard model with only the on off light would I notice a drop in performance?

I think this may be an xmas gift either from someone or from myself. Looking for some opinions.

[xxdcmast]

Whats your thoughts on these?? Quality or crap?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Brand...spagenameZWDVW

[BLACK SQUIRREL 441]

350 Shipped from China, No thanks

The best Price I found For Chicken hawks (shipping Incl)

http://www.motostrano-store.com/tools1.html

[Karaya One]

We sell these - http://www.motostrano-store.com/chhapopotiwa.html

But they have the Michelin logo on them.

$440.00 shipped.

[Ken C]

I have the standard CH and they perform fine. IMO, It's only when you're a top racer that you'll need the fine tuning that the pros offer.

[OreoGitorio]

Originally posted by Ken C
I have the standard CH and they perform fine. IMO, It's only when you're a top racer that you'll need the fine tuning that the pros offer.

+1 - I wasn't even gonna get tire warmers this year, but I found some used Standard Chickenhawks for cheap so i scooped em up.

[s a x m a n]

they make knee sliders now too

[hessogood]

Originally posted by s a x m a n
they make knee sliders now too

I tested some knee sliders for them up at the track. i was through them in one race (nbo exageration, i was down to the leather). Hopefully they changed the compound that they were using but if not they're junk. Woodcraft on the other hand just bought klucky pucks.

Don't get fancy with your warmers, buy a well made product, but you don't need multi temperatures. Your tires get lots of heat into them if you do a good paced warm up lap, just have to watch the first few corners.

[legalspeed]

The only real difference I have found after using CH, TS, and woodies is the thicker;heavier materials heat soak the carcasses more.

I have not crashed since using my Bakers.

[xxdcmast]

Whats TS?

[legalspeed]

Tyre Sox

[xxdcmast]

Ive heard that tyre socks arent that good quality? Do you think they are worth saving the couple hundred dollars over the chicken hawks?

[legalspeed]

No.

I only recommend Woodcraft Tire Bakers.

My CH burnt out when they got wet, sent them in and it was insulting.

I borrowed a set of Tyre Sox, they were fried that year.

My woodies are the greatest. We were lucky to get a deal through GMD Boston, 520/set. If you are interested, call Pete and see if he can get you a deal.

520 sounds like a lot, until you crash. Then it's a deal.

[OreoGitorio]

Originally posted by legalspeed
520 sounds like a lot, until you crash. Then it's a deal.

it's alot no matter how you look at it....

Dan & I obviously differ in opinion & that's perfectly fine... In my opinion, a novice rider doesn't crash cuz of less than top-of-the-line tire warmers and you don't have to rely on warmers to get through the first lap. Yes I have em, yes I use em, but I don't consider it a disaster if i forget to plug em in or something... just romp on the bike while it's straight up & down on the warm-up lap, go 80-90% for the first lap then pick up the pace. There's plenty of people who can't afford them & get around the track just fine.... Buy what you can afford cuz it's kinda tough to race if you run outta money.

[legalspeed]

Crash one of these new bikes, buy the parts, pay the labor, pay the medical bills, then 100$ (the price difference between comparable (digital) warmers), is a deal.

Hell, even a crash without repairs is still painful.

While you are correct, Pete, I have to believe everyone on the grid is racing for first place. If you go 80% on your first lap, and I am on the grid with you, you just lost.


After four years of racing, I have found there are certain things you do NOT want to save money on: suspension for example. Tire warmers and tires are another.

Since I have been using Tire Bakers, I have not had a get off.

This year I learned not to wait for a problem, give your bike to the top suspension guy BEFORE you crash. Pay what they ask, even if it means a payment schedule.

My tire warmers may very well not be the reason I have stayed rubber down, but this has been my experience, thus, it is my best reply.

[OreoGitorio]

I hear what yer sayin bro & I absolutely agree... I've lived my life to the "Pay to Play" and "Spend money to save money" philosophies... Tires, Suspension etc are all safety issues.... But in this thread you gotta consider the audience. I don't think a rookie racer is gonna go out there w/ the mentality that they're gonna win every race... I know I certainly didn't. A novice rider with that mentality doesn't really need 550 dollar warmers.

I also wouldn't give credit to the bakers for your not crashing... I think it's just cuz the ground got sick of ya


gahd DAMN i'm bored!!!!

[Ken C]

I'm bored too, so here I go.

As a novice, 100% is about 60% of an expert's pace. Keeping that in mind, a novice's first lap will not be stressing the tires enough to require tire warmers.

That said, novices often crash because they are stiff and make abrupt inputs, which ask too much of the tires. In this case a warmed tire may "save" a rider with under developed technique.

Learn to ride smoothly and all will be fine without tire warmers. Remember, that real advantage to using tire warmers is to charge into turn one with confidence. By turn 4 (on a warm day), the tires are warm enough without using tire warmers for almost any novice.

On a side note: to warm your tires, don't weave. All that does is scrub the tire and put a tiny bit of heat on a small portion of the surface. Instead brake and accelerate. This stresses the whole carcass for more heat buildup. Also, the heating of the brake rotors heats the wheels, which heats the tires.

[xxdcmast]

Well I think I am going to go with the woodcraft tire bakers. They seem like a good enough deal for the piddy backed digital warmers. And if Im going to buy tire warmers I might as well get them from someone who helps out LRRS.