[McBiggity]

mike martire is our rider rep- I believe BJ Worsham is a rep as well?
kinda like a liason(sp?) between the racers and the administration. As far as I know that is.

[OreoGitorio]

Originally posted by a13x
They were okay with me using a $140 Vemar that Daviid was kind enough to led me however *shrug*

now now, that's what he paid, not what they retail for The distributor decided to stop importing them from Italy so everyone was blowing em out. Same way I got my $800 dollar Vemar from Darrell for 300 bucks.


Since no one has said it yet, the last I heard the only helmets that are banned from LRRS are ones that have a plastic shell (Polycarbonate) and all lids that are more than 5 years old regardless of shell construction.

[Stupidhawk007]

I agree with pete, that's the rule I thought was going to be in effect.
I'm looking for a helmet, but I never meant to start a crazy thread, I'm just looking for the rule in print.
Not just for me, but for a friend who's curious about the whole lrrs helmet situation.

[zx1012r]

I am definately under the impression that Snell 2005 is going to be the mandatory date for 2007 season. I thought I remember Jerry saying that at one of the last rider meetings this year.

I don't like the expense of buying new helmets, but I literally smashed one in 2003 from a deer, and pretty much left no paint on one in a turn 2 crash in 2005.

I definately skimp on certain things. I am cheap. I don't need brand name anything to be happy. That's why I race an EX. But one thing I will not bitch about is the price on a good helmet.

Mark Dages 454

[Stupidhawk007]

Who's complaining about prices? I'm just looking for a specified rule.

I found this:
Hi Gang,

Looks like I am rich! Matty G bought an Arai! I really hope that most
of you realize that I don't make a dime no matter what helmet that you
buy. I make my living selling old motorcycles and houses.

I read some of the long engineer dissertations about helmet studies.
Here is the deal, the helmets in question failed my study! Some of you
might remember that one of the first faces that you see after a crash
is me. I want to know why you are hurt and if we can do anything about
it.

Your helmet is supposed to protect your head when you bonk it on the
ground. I understand that no helmet can protect you in all cases, but
they should work most of the time and when they do not work there
should be exceptional circumstances. In the last five head injuries,
the only exceptional circumstances were that the crashes were not a big
deal and there should not have been a brain injury if the helmet did
it's job.

Plastic helmets were never Snell approved before and to tell you the
truth, I didn't know that they were now. Anyhow, they are not working
despite the engineer studies. John Ulrich did extensive research as
usual and found that other racing groups may be having similar
problems. I also found that the problem extends to motocross. I spoke
with helmet distributors and helmet manufactures and they would like
racers to use fiberglass helmets. You might see this spelled out better
in future material from them. I think that it unreasonable to assume
that a $150 product will work as good as a $500 product. Will a 29 cent
screwdriver do the same job as a Snap On?

If you check out RRW, you will find a statement from HJC about what
they recommend for racing and that is fiberglass.

This is serious issue and although Don has agreed to allow a 1 race
grace period, John Ulrich and I do not recommend racing in them at all.
Please use old tires if you have to, but make the investment to protect
the most valuable asset that you have.

I understand that the NEAR group is small, so please help spread the
word. I read it here:Snell 2000 fiberglass good - plastic no good!


Jerry



Snell 2000 fibergalss? Has this been updated?

[OreoGitorio]

That's about 6 months old, came out shortly after the FALSE rumor surfaced about LRRS "Banning all HJC helmets". That was later cleared up to be "All HJC Polycarbonate" shelled helmets.

The best advice I can offer is if you're buying a new helmet, just get something that's not polycarbonate & has the Snell2005 rating, you'll be covered for a while. I'm not gonna worry about the Snell 2005 requirment just yet till I hear an official announcement... and since we haven't heard anything about it yet, i'm sure we'll be fine for at least most of the 2007 season like Alex & Oxx said. I'd ASSUME they wouldn't spring something like that on us w/o a good heads-up, long in advance.

[a13x]

/me waits for 2007 Rulebook to go online and then will either buy new helmet or not.

[OreoGitorio]

Originally posted by a13x
/me waits for 2007 Rulebook to go online and then will either buy new helmet or not.

Ed Zachary

[Honclfibr]

On my list for next year is a new HJC AC-12. Fiberglass, Snell M2005, (relatively) cheap, fits my head. I can dig it.

[TheIglu]

Originally posted by Honclfibr
On my list for next year is a new HJC AC-12. Fiberglass, Snell M2005, (relatively) cheap, fits my head. I can dig it.

DING!

Shiggity shiggity shwat

[Stupidhawk007]

I think I'll just wrap my head in tinfoil. That's cheap. And heat resistant.

[OreoGitorio]

not to mention rediculously stylish.

[Rick Lee]

OMG thats just fuckin HAWT!!!

[Johnny B]

There are three rider reps: Mike Martire, B.J. Worsham and Micky Curry.
Word over at the vintage list is that the USCRA is going to require Snell 2005 for the 2007 season. This is from Bob Coy himself. Those who also race with USCRA (Modern 125's, 50 CC "Screamers", 883's and the old stuff) might want to bear this in mind if getting a new helmet.

[Honclfibr]

Originally posted by Johnny B
There are three rider reps: Mike Martire, B.J. Worsham and Micky Curry.
Word over at the vintage list is that the USCRA is going to require Snell 2005 for the 2007 season. This is from Bob Coy himself. Those who also race with USCRA (Modern 125's, 50 CC "Screamers", 883's and the old stuff) might want to bear this in mind if getting a new helmet.

Interesting. Are there significant differences in helmet testing specification between the Snell M2000 and Snell M2005 certifications which warrant the requirement that all 2007 helmet be Snell M2005 certified?

This is not a loaded question, I have not researched the differences between M2000 and M2005 and therefore do not have an opinion on the subject. Other than I hope that the "powers that be" *do* understand the differences between the two specifications and have used this information to make an informed decision.

Snell is a noble scientific organization, and I trust their testing implicitly. However, I am not sure whether their certification changes always represent a change in the way helmets are certified. It may be that the changes in certification simply represent a need to periodically update the certification to satisfy concerns that Snell is continuously reevaluating their testing certifcation to ensure that it meets the standards for modern scientific practices. Many certifying bodies do just this, and it is an important part of any certification process but does not necessarily represent a need for organizations to update their standards requirement, absent of a clear change in the certification.

[Johnny B]

Originally posted by Honclfibr
Interesting. Are there significant differences in helmet testing specification between the Snell M2000 and Snell M2005 certifications which warrant the requirement that all 2007 helmet be Snell M2005 certified?
Many certifying bodies do just this, and it is an important part of any certification process but does not necessarily represent a need for organizations to update their standards requirement, absent of a clear change in the certification.

There is already a good amount of discussion on this over at the vintage list. One member is perusing all of the technical articles online as well as getting a handle on the British standards. At the USCRA banquet, the Rules Committee will gather all input and hash it out. I know they spent a good 4-5 hours last year at their meeting, when they banned Motards from their Singles class.
Knowing some of the committee members, I'm sure that whatever they come up with will be well thought out.
Whatever the USCRA comes up with most likely won't affect LRRS, but this is just a heads up to those who race both orgs.

[Honclfibr]

Originally posted by Johnny B
There is already a good amount of discussion on this over at the vintage list. One member is perusing all of the technical articles online as well as getting a handle on the British standards. At the USCRA banquet, the Rules Committee will gather all input and hash it out. I know they spent a good 4-5 hours last year at their meeting, when they banned Motards from their Singles class.
Knowing some of the committee members, I'm sure that whatever they come up with will be well thought out.
Whatever the USCRA comes up with most likely won't affect LRRS, but this is just a heads up to those who race both orgs.

That's too bad, as it seems like you guys are doing a very thorough job of researching the safety standards. Would be good if the information was to get back to LRRS, regardless of whether they plan to act on it.

In fact, I'd be interested to hear how the new M2005 standard compares to the M2000 standard and ECE standard as well. Might impact my helmet buying considerations...

[Johnny B]

I asked Jerry Wood at Homestead whether it was going to be Snell 200 or 2005. He said that it hadn't been decided yet, but he was going to get together with Don and they would try to have the final answer at the banquet. He asked me to send him an email when I got home to remind him. I sent it to him and Don.

[hessogood]

Thanks for being on this for us.

[legalspeed]

five years Honkle'; that is sigificant. It is easy to see that a 2000 helmet is five years old; the sticker says so. Material degredation due to bio fluids (sweat) and incidental impacts (drops) are the issue.

Racing orgs don't want you to use old lids, 5 years seems to be a resonable cut-off. Therefore it is easy to eliminate all 2000 sticker'd lids.


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I'm not sure how this will go, or what decisions will be made, but I am damn glad LRRS taking initiative and trying to keep their riders safe.

[Honclfibr]

Originally posted by legalspeed
five years Honkle'; that is sigificant. It is easy to see that a 2000 helmet is five years old; the sticker says so.

But it doesn't mean that at all. The SNELL 2000 sticker just means that the helmet was made before the manufacturer got that line SNELL 2005 certified, which couldn't even happen until after the SNELL 2005 certification came out. Many helmets made in 2005 carry the SNELL 2000 certification, and I believe some helmets still aren't SNELL 2005 certified and may carry the older designation.

[OreoGitorio]

Originally posted by Honclfibr
But it doesn't mean that at all. The SNELL 2000 sticker just means that the helmet was made before the manufacturer got that line SNELL 2005 certified, which couldn't even happen until after the SNELL 2005 certification came out. Many helmets made in 2005 carry the SNELL 2000 certification, and I believe some helmets still aren't SNELL 2005 certified and may carry the older designation.

A Snell2000 helmet may be as much as 6 years old or as little as 1.


Johnny B, thanks for staying on top of things & keeping us updated, bro

[Johnny B]

I just got back from the USCRA banquet. The USCRA has decided to require Snell 2005 helmets for their 2007 events. Also BSI Gold and some Euro standard that I don't remember the # of. Those here who race vintage, 50CC Screamers, 883's or 125's with USCRA, that's the final word.
As far as LRRS, you'll have to wait until the banquet to get the official word, but the unofficial buzz that I got was that helmets cannot be more than 5 years old.
This is similar to what WERA requires. Mongo tells me that the 2005 standards are not much different than the 2000 standards.
We will hear the official word in two weeks. See you at the banquet.

[legalspeed]

Get a chrome one with the little spike on top!!

[legalspeed]

Originally posted by Honclfibr
But it doesn't mean that at all. The SNELL 2000 sticker just means that the helmet was made before the manufacturer got that line SNELL 2005 certified, which couldn't even happen until after the SNELL 2005 certification came out. Many helmets made in 2005 carry the SNELL 2000 certification, and I believe some helmets still aren't SNELL 2005 certified and may carry the older designation.

Originally posted by Johnny B
As far as LRRS, you'll have to wait until the banquet to get the official word, but the unofficial buzz that I got was that helmets cannot be more than 5 years old.
This is similar to what WERA requires. Mongo tells me that the 2005 standards are not much different than the 2000 standards.
We will hear the official word in two weeks. See you at the banquet. [/b]