[oreo_n2]

when do the rules get posted? i am looking for all the details on safety wiring... specifically, what about bolts with recessed heads???

[smf]

don't think that matters. if it's a type that had to be wired it has to be wired. and all that info should be in the rules book. what you're looking for wont change much (if at all) from season to season.: http://www.lrrsracing.com/2006/2006_rulebook.pdf

[oreo_n2]

thanks. that makes sense.

any recomendations for tapered, recessed, allen head bolts that are used for oil drains plugs and brake calipers?

[legalspeed]

A dab of silicone, use white so they see it.

Mine is clear.

[hessogood]

Originally Posted by oreo_n2

thanks. that makes sense.

any recomendations for tapered, recessed, allen head bolts that are used for oil drains plugs and brake calipers?

Replace them with other bolts.

[oreo_n2]

Originally Posted by legalspeed

A dab of silicone, use white so they see it.

Mine is clear.

like RTV type silicone?


cant necesarily just replace them... not enough clearance/ plugging issues/ size & shape etc..

[Paul_E_D]

I've wired recessed allen heads. Just get the drill started on the face of the bolt and slowly increase the angle til you have a nice 45 degree hole to the inside and wire away.

[SVRACER01]

silicone sounds easy

[Paul_E_D]

but silicone is not wire. I'd be surprised if the alowed that for brake applications. I don't think I'd trust my life to it.

[hessogood]

I agree with Paul. I wouldn't trust a dab of silicon for many applications. At the WERA events they've accepted it for some uses, but also said to have it wired for the next event.

You can drill them. Start on the face and get the drill to the inside of the alen opening by doing what Paul said. You want to have wire there to be sure it's secure. A dab of silicon could be left over after taking a bolt out and putting it back, still apearing like it's secured.

[oreo_n2]

got it. thanks guys.

[legalspeed]

Originally Posted by Paul_E_D

but silicone is not wire. I'd be surprised if the alowed that for brake applications. I don't think I'd trust my life to it.

Consider yourself suprised.

[Paul_E_D]

OK, but having had my (unwired) caliper fall off at speed going into T1, I'll stick with safety wire...

[legalspeed]

Wow.

Two recessed bolts came unglued and worked themselves out? Did you locktite them before applying?

I wouldn't think there is that much axial torque on those fasteners.


Perhaps I should be drilling...

[Paul_E_D]

No, it was an assembly error, as in bolts were nipped but not torqued up. The wiring is a way to ensure that these errors don't happen, or at least don't have bad consequences.

The other method just doesn't seem as sure. It's vibration that backs these things out more than anything. Obviously, locktite and sealant works, but it seems harder to verify quickly that things are secure...

[SVRACER01]

Originally Posted by Paul_E_D

but silicone is not wire. I'd be surprised if the alowed that for brake applications. I don't think I'd trust my life to it.

and id be surprised if they let a 4 stroke motorcycle on the track without a bellypan.... oh wait.....

[gmdboston]

Originally Posted by SVRACER01

and id be surprised if they let a 4 stroke motorcycle on the track without a bellypan.... oh wait.....

There is no belly pan rule. Wire is the only acceptable means of securing bolts. Silicone is not.

If you need help drilling bring the bolts down and I'll show you.

[KB]

Call me dude I'l come down and we'll wire that beeyotch up!!

KB

[oreo_n2]

i just may take you up on that. i am running short on time to get everything done for the first race weekend, an extra set of hands would be most valuable. maybe saturday? or friday after work?
i'll call ya later this week.

[SVRACER01]

Originally Posted by gmdboston

There is no belly pan rule.

actually.... there is. lrrs rulebook 7.18 "all 4 stroke machines must be equipped with a fluid catch pan.........minimum capacity of the catch pan is to be 3 quarts"
page 21
http://www.lrrsracing.com/2006/2006_rulebook.pdf

[gmdboston]

Originally Posted by SVRACER01

actually.... there is. lrrs rulebook 7.18 "all 4 stroke machines must be equipped with a fluid catch pan.........minimum capacity of the catch pan is to be 3 quarts"
page 21
http://www.lrrsracing.com/2006/2006_rulebook.pdf

It's a mis-print. There is no rule, seriously. It's the one good thing to come from AMA Pro racing and LRRS will not enforce it. I've been behind a bike that lost it's drain plug. Nine riders down, broken arms, yard sale.......pisses me off that it's not enforced.

[smf]

Originally Posted by gmdboston

It's a mis-print. There is no rule, seriously. It's the one good thing to come from AMA Pro racing and LRRS will not enforce it. I've been behind a bike that lost it's drain plug. Nine riders down, broken arms, yard sale.......pisses me off that it's not enforced.

definitely not enforced... look at all the hawks and motards. and um... the idiot that didn't safety wire his drainplug shoulda paid for all damages, etc

[Paul_E_D]

Originally Posted by smf

definitely not enforced... look at all the hawks and motards. and um... the idiot that didn't safety wire his drainplug shoulda paid for all damages, etc

The sport would die the day someone had to pay damages...

[smf]

Originally Posted by Paul_E_D

The sport would die the day someone had to pay damages...

complete agree. but something really bad happening b/c some moron didn't wire his drain bolt is just... well... there really aren't words for how f-ing stupid that is

[Evil_Weasel]

Originally Posted by smf

complete agree. but something really bad happening b/c some moron didn't wire his drain bolt is just... well... there really aren't words for how f-ing stupid that is

....that's what tech inspectors are for.

when i was in the military working on aircraft it was never the fault of the person that performed the faulty maintnance and caused the accident. it was always the inspector that signed off on the task and/or signed off on the aircraft as safe for flight.

....than again this isn't the military and these aren't fighter jets. we should all be as careful and responsible for our own saftey and the saftey of our fellow competitors as possible.