[Crash Dummy Denno]

James,

This could be a great thread - maybe even a sticky - you should re-post it all and keep it clean from nonsense when you're done or something...


Denno

[DBConz]

thanks for the input. i figured it was a clearence issue for racing. my OEM stator cover was $80 with an OEM gasket on eBay. if I end up replacing it again, I'll look into the woodcrafts.

and in the event you do repost to remove the nonsense: denno sucks.

[naked-daytrader]

Originally Posted by union

Going back together



That is it for now.

You have small fingers...


Good project though

[union]

Originally Posted by Denno

James,

This could be a great thread - maybe even a sticky - you should re-post it all and keep it clean from nonsense when you're done or something...


Denno

Its why I have control of it. I just need to figure out you to use it. Im sure Degsy or Legalspeed could also clean it up as well.

[SVRACER01]

Originally Posted by naked-daytrader

You have small fingers...


Good project though

hes only like 3 1/2 feet tall...what do you expect?

[Billy]

Good work James. You need to take more pictures you slacker.

[union]

A small update. Some of the smaller parts have come in. I know a few of you were concerned about a certain fire danger with the newer R6s. No need to worry any more A set of Traxxion Dynamics tank sliders are now here and are waiting to be put on. A set of stomp grip and some speed bleeders are here as well.

I havent put them on the bike but its a pretty straight forward install. When I do install Ill get another photo.

[Jayspeed]

Nice set up.

[ceo012384]

Originally Posted by union

A small update. Some of the smaller parts have come in. I know a few of you were concerned about a certain fire danger with the newer R6s. No need to worry any more A set of Traxxion Dynamics tank sliders are now here and are waiting to be put on. A set of stomp grip and some speed bleeders are here as well.

I havent put them on the bike but its a pretty straight forward install. When I do install Ill get another photo.

I've been meaning to grab some of those traxxion pucks... I know it will save the bike, but 120 bucks for two chunks of plastic seems like fuckin' robbery to me. I'll get them anyways when I have the cash.

I have a stompgrip waiting for me to throw it on though...


edit: your shit's coming along nicely btw, man

[gmdboston]

Seems like robbery until you realize that the molds for those "pieces of plastic" cost $20,000 each (1 left and 1 right) and are protecting your $10,000 bike.

[ceo012384]

Originally Posted by gmdboston

Seems like robbery until you realize that the molds for those "pieces of plastic" cost $20,000 each (1 left and 1 right) and are protecting your $10,000 bike.

Not saying they aren't worth it if they save my bike, or that plastic molds aren't expensive... it just seems overpriced for what you're getting based on the normal cost of a product of that sort.

There are similarly sized plastic products with that level of intricacy in the shape out there with molds costing a lot more... and the product sells for 5 bucks. I guess it's just because they are doing such low volume in this particular part, they need to make back their initial investment, which makes sense.

They are my next mod, methinks. Certainly before the april TTDs.

[yzedf]

molds sure don't cost 20k... people ripping r6 owners off using fear. works every time.

[gmdboston]

Originally Posted by ceo012384

Not saying they aren't worth it if they save my bike, or that plastic molds aren't expensive... it just seems overpriced for what you're getting based on the normal cost of a product of that sort.

There are similarly sized plastic products with that level of intricacy in the shape out there with molds costing a lot more... and the product sells for 5 bucks. I guess it's just because they are doing such low volume in this particular part, they need to make back their initial investment, which makes sense.

They are my next mod, methinks. Certainly before the april TTDs.

Exactly, it's all about volume. I've looked in to some plastic injection molding parts and if I can amortize the costs over several million parts, then the parts can retail at $5, but if we sell a few hundred, then the parts are $150. And yes the molds do cost that much. They are made in batches so the parts can be made 10 or so at a time, and there is a set up charge to load the molds into the plastic injection molding machine. The more parts you make, the lower the cost per part. In the motorcycle industry we are always dealing with a very small market, that is why some many products cost more for bikes than general merchandise. The average run for producing a given model is about 20,000 world wide. If you can sell to 10% (a very generous number) that gives you a market of 2000 world wide. throw in two or more vendors and you can see why the prices are higher relative to selling say sneakers, or bread.

[yzedf]

that is why you source manufacturing overseas. especially when it comes to easy plastic pieces as these. you can get samples in under 2wks from china. and high volume is not such a big deal... especially with all the fast prototyping stuff going on. (i used to work for an importer and did this type of stuff all the time)

[gmdboston]

Originally Posted by yzedf

that is why you source manufacturing overseas. especially when it comes to easy plastic pieces as these. you can get samples in under 2wks from china. and high volume is not such a big deal... especially with all the fast prototyping stuff going on. (i used to work for an importer and did this type of stuff all the time)

Yeah, that works when you order by the container full, but if you only need 100-200 sets it doesn't. I've looked into it too. Until you get to quantities in the thousands or tens of thousands, it's more economical to manufacture here in the US.

[union]

Originally Posted by R1slowflyer

BTW- union bike looks great keep the updates coming! You work at a fucking bike shop, wouldn't there be daily progress? WTF!

The key word is I work at a bike shop. I get to work on my bike on off days. Also add that I am financing this myself and neither of my jobs are going to make me rich. Even though I do get a discounted price that parts are still expensive. Im still looking at 5-6k total just in parts for the bike.

My biggest benefit is having the shop to work in and having Kates to help me out.

[gmdboston]

Originally Posted by R1slowflyer

Overseas is not an option for an affordable prototype. trust me, it costs you more when you deal with a large company because everything that pete said is true, now think that 20,000 dollar mold and the set-up charges all for a run of 10-100 then that mold is useless. A prototype is just that. It is NEVER what you see in production there are always changes, some of which are substantial, so to say that oversees prototyping is cost effective is way off.

Whats great about sourcing your prototype work to a small co. in the states to is you can save thousands if not millions in R&D. you can have a quick turn product for a set price in a short amount of time, saving you the cost in hours and mistakes. I have personally overseen projects that in the end have the saved a company thousands of dollars because they can send the work out with little to no overhead and expect a working product to test and work into production lines.

Overseas is not the answer in any case, just getting parts from overseas is weeks worth of lead time. nevermind having to send over a design and be working within a budget and a time frame. I can see runs of hundreds of thousands and you need affordable production even in the millions, but to facilitate a small market and prototypes overseas is not the answer



BTW- union bike looks great keep the updates coming! You work at a fucking bike shop, wouldn't there be daily progress? WTF!

Plus there is some thing to be said about doing business with some one that is close enough for you to be able to get both hands firmly around their neck!

[R1slowflyer]

Originally Posted by union

The key word is I work at a bike shop. I get to work on my bike on off days. Also add that I am financing this myself and neither of my jobs are going to make me rich. Even though I do get a discounted price that parts are still expensive. Im still looking at 5-6k total just in parts for the bike.

My biggest benefit is having the shop to work in and having Kates to help me out.

Uh ok then well still i think you should prove yourself more useful and get a well deserved raise so you can better finance this project so you can update it more often.

A happy employee is a happy employer!

JK

The bike looks great Alicia and I hope you get it finished for the season that is almost here.

[Punjistick]

Originally Posted by R1slowflyer

The bike looks great Alicia and I hope you get it finished for the season that is almost here.

Who the hell is Alicia? Isn't this James' bike or am I missing something?

[yzedf]

Originally Posted by gmdboston

Yeah, that works when you order by the container full, but if you only need 100-200 sets it doesn't. I've looked into it too. Until you get to quantities in the thousands or tens of thousands, it's more economical to manufacture here in the US.

not really, especially with plastics. if you are talking machined metal stuff than yes it is cheaper to find a local guy pay him to do it. got to remember that the capabilities of overseas are almost as high as here... and growing by the month. but they have a larger desire to grow than we do... and as such will get into markets where the money isn't always top just to be in that market.

[yzedf]

Originally Posted by R1slowflyer

Overseas is not an option for an affordable prototype. trust me, it costs you more when you deal with a large company because everything that pete said is true, now think that 20,000 dollar mold and the set-up charges all for a run of 10-100 then that mold is useless. A prototype is just that. It is NEVER what you see in production there are always changes, some of which are substantial, so to say that oversees prototyping is cost effective is way off.

Whats great about sourcing your prototype work to a small co. in the states to is you can save thousands if not millions in R&D. you can have a quick turn product for a set price in a short amount of time, saving you the cost in hours and mistakes. I have personally overseen projects that in the end have the saved a company thousands of dollars because they can send the work out with little to no overhead and expect a working product to test and work into production lines.

Overseas is not the answer in any case, just getting parts from overseas is weeks worth of lead time. nevermind having to send over a design and be working within a budget and a time frame. I can see runs of hundreds of thousands and you need affordable production even in the millions, but to facilitate a small market and prototypes overseas is not the answer



BTW- union bike looks great keep the updates coming! You work at a fucking bike shop, wouldn't there be daily progress? WTF!

being that i used to do this for a living, i can tell you that you are wrong. and weeks of lead time.... um i could get parts in my hand in a week. there is this wondrous thing called CAD and email...

[union]

Originally Posted by R1slowflyer

I do this for a living. I am in prototype manufacturing. Anything made in small runs is considered custom. I can guarantee you that if you called for a sample its something that was already made, and i f you need a proto I could give you a few shops that have a 2-5 day turnaround on any plastic molding. Just because they are great at mass production overseas, does not translate to prototyping.

I agree with the cad and email yes it could be quicker, but that also reflects in cost, a major factor in any proto.

Also if we are talking large quantities and high volume assembly overseas is cheaper, but with the smaller stuff shipping negates any cost savings from overseas. also the specifics are outrageous here. there are so many variables.

I am glad that you used to do this, but i have been doing this off and on for the past 8 years. In my experience you can save yourself alot of time money and hassle by sourcing the work to a local company!

enough of the thread stealing this is unions thread lets keep it on topic!

sorry james!

Yes keep it on topic. Ill ask Degsy or Stoneman to clean this up.

As for the tank sliders. Im glad you guys are concerned and you all know better cheaper ways to make them. There is just one problem I see. None of you are making them and Traxxion are the only ones out right now so its a pretty useless debate about manufacturing, cost, and out sourcing in a bike build thread.

[ceo012384]

Originally Posted by union

Yes keep it on topic. Ill ask Degsy or Stoneman to clean this up.

I agree.... I didn't mean to start a debate on trade economics... my bad.

Originally Posted by union

As for the tank sliders. Im glad you guys are concerned and you all know better cheaper ways to make them. There is just one problem I see. None of you are making them and Traxxion are the only ones out right now so its a pretty useless debate about manufacturing, cost, and out sourcing in a bike build thread.

There are a couple companies doing it, actually...

Traxxion (119.99 and look the best)
ETI Fuel Cell (Most expensive but actually cover the entire sides of the tank not just the impact zone)
Adrenaline city racing.... (Cheapest at 99.95 right now)



Regardless, I'll be getting the traxxion dealies.

[union]

Bodywork arrived this week. We decided to go with armor bodies. I havent had a chance to fit it up but this stuff looks very good. Its clean and very flexible. I mocked up the rear and it fit up nice and easy.





Im still waiting on the gearing to get in. Hopefully this week and the shock is also on order.

[Kurlon]

Question on the engine guards/case covers... Is there any leeway on that rule for your first race weekend? Myself and a friend can't find case guards or beefed up engine case covers for his Triumph TT 600.