[bottoj]

I would like my suspension reworked this winter by GMD as I've been told they are the place to go for this type of stuff. The current stock suspension feels so unconfidence inspiring. Through turns I feel like the bike is gonna fall out from under me. I would like to redo the forks and get a new rear shock early this winter. What would be the best setup for some agressive street riding?

Sv650S 06
175 Pounds

[BMFR6]

drop it off with peter and leave your credit card. be a whole new bike.

in reality, he'll probably freshen up the forks, add some emulators, new springs depending on whats in there. on the rear you'll do a penske sprung for your weight.

if you want to go a step further, have him do the geometry as well. will be night and day to what it is now.

[bottoj]

you know ballpark on cost?

[pasta-rocket]

2 yrs ago, I put race tech emulators and an ohlins shock. I Then sent it to peter and he did the fluid,straightened my forks from a previous accident, resprung the rear for my weight, did geometry, and ride height. Total i think was around 1200.00 The bike was completely different and was worth every dime!

[Currently]

Bottom line is you get what you pay for.

PK has a good rep and does offer quite a bit of his experience at no charge.

Experience however does not fix junk, money is what replaces the poor excuse that Suzuki offers as OEM suspension.

Out of all the mods I made on the SV, the suspension is what returned the most.

Just do it right the first time.

[bottoj]

Originally Posted by Currently

Bottom line is you get what you pay for.

PK has a good rep and does offer quite a bit of his experience at no charge.

Experience however does not fix junk, money is what replaces the poor excuse that Suzuki offers as OEM suspension.

Out of all the mods I made on the SV, the suspension is what returned the most.

Just do it right the first time.

SO what is "right" exactly? I'm looking for something for aggressive street riding.

[SVRACER01]

im not really sure what to say here.
i RACED an SV for about 4 years with stock suspension and it seemed to work fine. it was also my daily driver for a few years before i raced. and by daily driver i mean..365. aggressive canyons, track days..i did it all. sometimes 2 up. tires melting and engine ticking it was all great.
then....
i put a GSXR front end on and a Penske on the rear and i shaved almost 3 seconds off my lap times.
sooooo.....
have PK at least do the forks (emulators, springs, fluid, etc)
as for the rear... well its up to you. a penske is great. ohlins is also great. stay away from the GSXR,ZX swaps. you could probably even find something on e bay used and just have PK freshen/rebuild it.

[bottoj]

You might also be a bit more confident, but with the stock suspension I'm not at all. I just feel I need something more confidence inspiring.

[Currently]

Money is no object ... then AK-20 cartridge internals at almost 1400 bucks for the front. http:\\Motorcycle Suspension Service by Traxxion Dynamics

Filthy rich ... then go with his gas charged forks. (only $2500)

Biggest bang for the buck ... Racetech Gold Valve Emulators with springs to match your weight.

Rear shock ... Hagon for about 375 to $1300 for Penske triple clicker.

Bottom line ... how much do YOU want to spend?

BTW, pay very close attention to Peter Kates signature line.

Also, get rid of that stock Dunlop tire, put a good sticky sport tire on that bike.
Michelin, Pirelli, Conti, Metzler, Avon ... they are much better than what is on there which is a touring tire more than a sport tire.

[bottoj]

I was planning to get those new Michelin Road 2CT's. Would a Penske Double Clicker and Racetech Gold Valves fit the bill? I'm looking to spend about $1500 tops not including tires.

[Kurlon]

OMG?! I was content thinking a production twins machine could be cheap, but you HAD to point out gas charged cartridges that could be retrofitted into stock fork internals for a paltry $2500... I've heard of people retrofitting inverted fork cartridges into mini forks before, but a gas charged assembly, wow.

If you need me, I'll be in the corner writing out "Emulators and springs will do just fine" over and over again on the wall.

[Pearldog]

I had Peter work on my SV a couple of years ago..night and day. He installed a Fox twin clicker, new spring and re-worked the forks, etc. Great job..

Pdog

[gmdboston]

The forks, including Emulators, springs seals and new bushings will be $550 NESR Price. Forget the cheap European shocks, they don't have good US distribution so parts are almost impossible to get. I won't sell what I can't service no matter what the price, or performance is. The best price/value is a Penske Racing Shocks 8983 series
Penske Racing Shocks – World Class Suppliers of Racing Dampers and Shock Absorbers

NESR Price is $751.50. A geometry Optimization is $375. Now is the best time to get it done. Turn around time is 1-2 weeks. In the spring it's 4-8 weeks. Feel free to cal me with any questions.

[bottoj]

Very tempting to...resisting urge to...pick up phone! I'll call later today or this weekend sometime.

[gmdboston]

Originally Posted by cras4u

Very tempting to...resisting urge to...pick up phone! I'll call later today or this weekend sometime.

Just remember, rehab if for quitters!!!!

[Currently]

I have always wondered why it is so hard to convince people that the stock suspension is dangerous for riders that far outweigh the "unpublished" design spec of a 140 pound rider?

They don't have a problem understanding that if their head is medium size and they wear a XL helmet to ride is dangerous.

They don't have a problem understanding that if their feet are size 7 and they wear size 12 boots, they will have problems.

What is so hard to understand that a bike has to be adjusted to fit you?

I weigh 250 with all my gear on, and it took all of 10 minutes to realize that the SV stock suspension was woefully inadequate for my weight.

BTW ... cras4u, this post was not directed at you, rather, I commend you for recognizing that there is a significant improvement to be had for fitting your bike to your physical properties. Physics does not lie ... you just have to beware of the occasional pop quizzes!

[bottoj]

I completely understand, man. Like SVRacer said above, the stock suspension is "rideable" but it scares the hell out of me in corners. I don't feel that the bike instills much confidence in me, the rider. Maybe that will come in time, but I'm also going to fix it myself. It might be fine for some skinnier kids, but i'm a bit heftier than usual (not by much). The point stands that the SV's stock suspension was sacraficed in production for cost savings. That's the joy of a budget bike - you can mod the hell out of it! I'm glad i'm biting the bullet and upgrading, especially since I plan to ride this bike for a long time to come.

On a different side of things, is the Geometry adjustment worth it? Also, will GMD take my fairings off the bike so it can be a true drop-off/pick-up type deal? How much cost would that add?

[gmdboston]

Originally Posted by Currently

I have always wondered why it is so hard to convince people that the stock suspension is dangerous for riders that outweigh the "unpublished" design spec of a 140 pound rider?

They don't have a problem understanding that if their head is medium size and they wear a XL helmet to ride is dangerous.

They don't have a problem understanding that if their feet are size 7 and they wear size 12 boots, they will have problems.

What is so hard to understand that a bike has to be adjusted to fit you?

I weigh 250 with all my gear on, and it took all of 10 minutes to realize that the SV stock suspension was woefully inadequate for my weight.

BTW ... cras4u, this post was not directed at you, rather, I commend you for recognizing that there is a significant improvement to be had for fitting your bike to your physical properties. Physics does not lie ... you just have to beware of the occasional pop quizzes!

It's because there are two sets of physical laws in the universe. One we use and experience every day. This set applies to almost every thing and every one. It is clearly defined by science and mathematics. It follows every known physical law and postulate. Every action can be explained using the basic laws of physics, chemistry, quantum mechanics, and mathematics.

The other only applies to motorcycles and nothing else. It clearly states that motorcycles are exempt from the first set of laws. It is the most simplistic of laws. The size and complexity of a problem and it's solution are directly related to the amount of money some jack ass wants to spend to fix it, and whether or not said jack ass can find some barn yard engineered solution on the internet.

For example: A motorcyclist is traveling West at 35 mph. An oncoming car traveling East at 35 mph turns left in front of the motorcyclist. For simplicity we'll assume both vehicle slow to 20mph at the point of impact. According to the first set of physical laws the motorcycle and car collide with a relative velocity of about 40 mph (again for simplicity we'll say that vehicles collide roughly head on). The resulting force of the impact can be calculated using force vectors and extrapolations of E=MC*2. The result is major structural damage to the motorcycle frame, forks, triple clamps, swing arm, and axles. Cost to repair will be several thousand dollars. How ever, since the rider does not carry collision insurance, the second set of laws must then be applied. The result is the total damage is a clutch lever and some model paint to touch up the bar end. As long as the rider ignores the fact the front wheel is now 15mm closer to the exhaust and is 8mm to the side all will be fine.

[gmdboston]

On a different side of things, is the Geometry adjustment worth it?

yes

Also, will GMD take my fairings off the bike so it can be a true drop-off/pick-up type deal?

yes
How much cost would that add?

not much

[l3uddha]

[quote=gmdboston;423435]
barn yard engineered solution
[quote]

are you talking to me?

[Kurlon]

Part of Geometry Optimization is a full frame measurement, yes?

[gmdboston]

Originally Posted by Kurlon

Part of Geometry Optimization is a full frame measurement, yes?

yes, then we set up the geometry and remeasure.

[gmdboston]

[quote=l3uddha;423439][quote=gmdboston;423435]
barn yard engineered solution

are you talking to me?

[SVRACER01]

im afraid of what you will say if you measure mine.

[BMFR6]

Originally Posted by gmdboston

On a different side of things, is the Geometry adjustment worth it?

yes

well worth it.